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  Lord Invictus
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Rive Caedo wrote:
Yeah, The Daily Show has been having a field day matching up Fox News coverage calling protests "Unamerican" and "Loony" when the Republicans were in power - and now they're actively promoting it.

I'd generally rather get my news coverage from the BBC than any of the American news networks when I have the choice Razz
But... yeah, Fox News is probably the most off the deep end when it comes to "news" coverage. Though some of the stuff I've seen from Keith Olbermann is just about as bad (though from the opposite side of the spectrum).
CNN is, at least, usually harmless with its "news" coverage. They're usually so busy wasting time and money on touchscreens and "holograms" to actively spin the news in any direction Wink


FOX didn't insult protesters under the Bush administration. O'Reilly had to dedicate part of an episode of his show earlier this year to refute these claims, as they were taken out of context. O'Reilly claimed that SOME of the protesters (I've forgotten the specific point. I believe these were rioters, actually. He fairly covered, and complimented, anti-war protesters. He referred to some of them as 'loons' right? Yeah, if it's that video you're referring to, he was referring to a small sect of rioters causing a lot of trouble).

Anyway, I believe CNN and FOX are the only truly reliable stations anymore, with ABC being heavily biased to a moderate left, and MSNBC being heavily biased to a radical left.

Rachel Re also got her facts wrong. Glenn Beck and some other COMMENTATORS (Shepard Smith is a new reporter, like the many other NEWS reporters on FOX) organized the 9/12 project. Commentators like Cavuto, Hannity, O'Reilly, and Beck make up the midday-late night shows on FOX, and there's nothing wrong with that. These exclusions of FOX and attacks by the White House are meant to distract Americans from more important, key issues... like healthcare reform, the war, and self-declared Maoists in the White House (who happen to be organizing these attacks...).

I also happen to like the BBC.

I'll leave it there, though.



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Distract Americans? You have to take your head out of the shitter. I didn't hear much of this news at all, and I'm an avid watcher and reader of all the stations. It always comes down to some Obamanical plan with you, doesn't it?
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Lord Invictus wrote:
FOX didn't insult protesters under the Bush administration. O'Reilly had to dedicate part of an episode of his show earlier this year to refute these claims, as they were taken out of context. O'Reilly claimed that SOME of the protesters (I've forgotten the specific point. I believe these were rioters, actually. He fairly covered, and complimented, anti-war protesters. He referred to some of them as 'loons' right? Yeah, if it's that video you're referring to, he was referring to a small sect of rioters causing a lot of trouble).

I've found (seemingly) the bit where he "refutes" the claims. But it actually seems a bit silly since the clip the Daily Show used DID say "some".

And (in the bit I found), he ignored the more blatant ones:
"Tonight on the pinhead front - this is too easy - Code Pink protested in front of CNN this weekend. Nobody quite knows why, nor cares."
(As the footage on screen is showing them carrying "Stop waterboarding" signs Razz )

Lord Invictus wrote:
Rachel Re also got her facts wrong. Glenn Beck and some other COMMENTATORS (Shepard Smith is a new reporter, like the many other NEWS reporters on FOX) organized the 9/12 project. Commentators like Cavuto, Hannity, O'Reilly, and Beck make up the midday-late night shows on FOX, and there's nothing wrong with that.

That is, indeed, the defense FOX made (and the defense other 24 hour news networks would need to make, I suppose).

The Daily Show had a funny extended retort. The most relevant portion is somewhere around the 5 minute marker: [link]

I actually do agree with FOX that the Obama administration is making bad decisions in regards to these media specific issues.
One could argue one of two positions:
1. FOX is a "fair and balanced" news station. The Obama administration is barring them based on external perceptions and is being completely unfair - and causing needless divisions.
2. FOX is the media wing of the cold-hearted Republicans who’ll cut taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king. They're deliberately goading the Obama administration into barring them in order to make them look bad... and they're playing right into this trap.

In either case, not especially good outcomes.
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Darth Splinter wrote:
Distract Americans? You have to take your head out of the shitter. I didn't hear much of this news at all, and I'm an avid watcher and reader of all the stations. It always comes down to some Obamanical plan with you, doesn't it?


Since when should a president care if a media station isn't treating him very nicely? FOX is the 'big bad guy' of news; they are the brutal "WE EAT POLITICIANS FOR BREAKFAST" station renowned for attacking Democrats and Republicans they find to be acting poorly. Obama gets praise from every other media outlet (okay, except George Stephanopolous SP? but he's from Cleveland, making him just too cool. FOX news praises him, and, I suppose, CNN on a lighter scale), and he only gets hefty criticism from FOX, which is focused on being cynical (it's arguable, however, that Bill O'Reilly is treating Obama well... moreso than any ordinary politician. I'm beginning to think O'Reilly is an Obama-supporter).

So, with O'Reilly out of the question (he's the 'Fair and Balanced' somewhat pro-Obama guy), that leaves two people left to be criticized.

Beck and Hannity.

Hannity's a partisan idiot, we all know that. But he's one commentator (I could forgive MSNBC if it was just Keith Olbermann and maybe three or four other commentators. It's their reporters I find ridiculously funny. ABC and CNN have a light bias in the same way FOX does, so I don't mind them).

Beck- he's non-partisan (he spends entire episodes BASHING the Republican party as traitorous idiots and progressive-lites.). He's a conservative, but that's no reason to dislike him. He's a fair person, but he's emotional about what he does (he's had an intriguing life), and considers himself to be a sort of 'sentinel' (which, as a commentator, he is supposed to be) against the government. Thus, he reports on the more outrageous areas of politics (what Obama's screwed up on) rather than the positive (what Obama's done right). He gives credit where it's due, and leads his show with mistakes (he's even installed a phone on his show which has a number given to the White House to correct mistakes ON THE SHOW... which... hasn't... happened?), but he's aggressive when he finds fault.

So... that makes one partisan commentator, Hannity, who isn't really the one the Obama administration attacks very often (okay, Gibbs called him an anti-Semite when Hannity had some radical on his show... who Hannity ardently disagreed with and fought against. The reasoning why Hannity's an anti-Semite? "Because you can't have people on you disagree with"...?)

Anyway, I rest my case.

There's a case one could make, and I'd debate against it, that FOX is conservative, and that would be a reasonable point. However, when someone called FOX "pro-Republican" that's a bit out of line...
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Oh sweet a new debate thread!
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Yeah guys, move it over.
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More words don't make your debate any more valid.
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Or at least use the Debates forum. Wink
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Darth Splinter wrote:
More words don't make your debate any more valid.


No, my friend, but the ability to read does.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRzBtTcnh5c

Most of them are pretty spot on, and some are just horrible.
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I find it fairly amusingly coincidental that he does 3 (or 4?) Rocko's Modern Life references, which we were just talking about on this forum a few days ago.

*tries to type while listening*
Chief Wiggum, Troy MacClure, and Bender were both completely off. I like his Doctor Nick though, wish I could do that one Smile
Bugs Bunny is funny one. It doesn't sound close to me, but there's been so many people doing the voice (officially) over the years - he's probably close to one of them Razz
Mr Howell is pretty dead on. But it's a pretty easily imitated one since it's more in the tone than the pitch.
His Bob Dylan is far too understandable Wink

South Park and Homestar Runner voices were both pretty weak.

Hank Venture = hilarious quote choice.

I'm not very good at impressions myself. Mostly for the same reason can't sing - bad pitch control.

I can do a decent Malcolm McDowell. Provided I record my voice ahead of time and pitch it down using an audio editor like Audacity - but that's cheating Razz
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I just found this site and joined it is very active and no its not my site http://passionoftheforce.forumakers.com/forum.htm


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Some Guy on Passion of the Force wrote:
I may not be a Jedi, but Maven, you've switched factions so many times...can't you just settle down somewhere? I'm pretty sure eventually someone would start thinking your character was a traitor anyways...

For now we see in a mirror, darkly...



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