| Archive for Rebels A Star Wars Roleplaying Community |
| Sirak Sazen |
This name shall not be mentioned. Thank you for your timeEDIT: TL;DR also, quit adding fuel to a fire which burned out a long time ago. We don't need another incident. |
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| Xander Vos |
Wha? What happened? | ||||||||||||||
| Adenn |
You guys suck, I want to see what he originally posted. D:
PM me the original post if you can. ;-; |
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| Xander Vos |
I didn't edit it... thus my post. 
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| Adenn |
I'm on to you. =_= | ||||||||||||||
| Dakoth |
IMA CHARGIN MAH MOD LAZA!11 | ||||||||||||||
| Sirak Sazen |
Thanks for deleting 5 minutes of typing. Jerks.
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| Dakoth |
I didn't delete it  I'm just trying to go on a crazy banning spree and now I have no ammunition.
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| Xander Vos |
I didn't... what did you say? |
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| Lord Invictus |
Neither did I, mostly because I don't have authority on forums outside of the Sith. What did you say? I'd be interested in knowing. However, I would assume it had something to do with Jianna Merrowmere. Perhaps she's even more angry recently over something? More spam/flaming? It's a fire that 'burnt out long ago' and a person who we're all avowed not to discuss unless necessary or relevant, which, in response to this conspiratorial thread, it is, so don't charge yah' mod powahs one me. |
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| Sirak Sazen |
It was about Jianna and/or her puppets making comments on my blog and reporting us yet again for apparent copyright infringement. The problem seemed to be the GIF in Yoda's sig. 
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| Dakoth |
lololololol please please tell me shes still at it! | ||||||||||||||
| Lord Invictus |
Yeah, it's pretty funny, actually, so long as it doesn't escalate. To think... after almost a half-year she's still spying on our forums... it's almost creepy, really. But she's talking about copy right infringement now? And because of Yoda's signature? Really? May I have a link, please. That's too ridiculous to be true. |
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| Crozeus |
I would like to point out she hasn't had internet until just now for about four months. | ||||||||||||||
| Sirak Sazen |
http://forum.myfreeforum.org/about18034.html
And you know this.... |
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| Dakoth |
haahha oh man thats the definition of tryhard. | ||||||||||||||
| Darth Splinter |
We must mourn the loss of her priorities. God bless. 
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| Lord Embeion |
So Ollie finally comes out of the closet about his habits. |
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| Dakoth |
Why you stalking anyway? you think you're in MI6 now do yah there crozey? | ||||||||||||||
| Crozeus |
frak off, I always used to talk to her back in the day, I ran a site with her. | ||||||||||||||
| Sirak Sazen |
So YOU made her crazy! jkjkiluvya
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| Dakoth |
Nah its probably a failry accurate claim. Just ask him what he puts on the wheels of his car. you'll lol. | ||||||||||||||
| Crozeus |
LOL AT BUTTER | ||||||||||||||
| Lord Invictus |
He's using around 8 seconds of a film PROBABLY revealed in a trailer for a non-commercial signature.
And she reports it. Why, may I ask? Because she has a vendetta against Rebels for participating in a logical debate rather than allowing bumper sticker recitations, Supreme Court decisions, and consensus reality to decide a debate. I'm not mad at her because she's liberal or even because she, in my opinion, won't see reason here. I'm ticked off because she feels it's her right to spam and flame to get her way, then, when that fails, attempt to report us to Egov, the CIA, the KGB, the Obama-Thought-Police, MyFreeForum imperium, WalMart, and liberal God. ... wait... I meant, I'm mad because she overreacted when she couldn't get her way in a debate, and claims that bias is a means with which she can shut down our forums (wait... MSNBC and NBC are still standing, and they are so blatantly biased it's not funny. The government isn't shutting them down). Then she claims we said 'hateful' things to her, insulting liberals and women and what have you (comparing the theory of consensus reality, which was on the part of one member, to Hitler's own theory of consensus reality isn't hateful. It's blunt and perhaps exaggerated, but relatively true). As opposed to some anti-Catholic comments given to MYSELF, such as (this is paraphrased, but it is in there); "2+2=5" (this was my response, from 1984, to something along the lines of "We have a higher poll count, so we're right in this situation.") "What's that, Invictus? Some secret code to join Opus Dei?" (this is Jainna's response. Though it could be comical, it wasn't meant so. It was obviously suppose to 'humiliate' me about the Catholic Church's 'extremist terrorist network of Opus Dei.... which is trying to kill Tom Hanks too. Josemaria was also a Franco-loving Fascist, meaning that YOU are a Franco-loving Fascist by extension!" I didn't care much, but it's a double standard, and it went generally unnoticed). Note... this forum wasn't responsible for copyright infraction (if it is even that, which I don't think it is). Yodafueva created the image and posted it, the administration of myfreeforums didn't. It's also not being sold for commercial purposes so... |
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| Adenn |
She's still going at it? 
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| Sirak Sazen |
And my post got deleted why? | ||||||||||||||
| Adenn |
What post? | ||||||||||||||
| Dakoth |
Exactly, it mysteriously dissapeared. Most likely the work of that evil brigand Sam.
And how could you forget fox in discussion of blatently biased news invictus
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| Darth Splinter |
She should apologize to liberals for making us look so bad. 
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| Dakoth |
both sides sure do have thier crazies. | ||||||||||||||
| Io Lee |
How come when I'm gone, I miss everything? | ||||||||||||||
| Darth Splinter |
Because you're her!
Burn him! Burn the witch! |
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| Dakoth |
HEATHENOUS WRETCH!
Rp with me io! |
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| Butler_Swan |
OMGWTFLOL | ||||||||||||||
| Devrin |
No, no, no! You got it all wrong! It's OMGWTFBBQ! | ||||||||||||||
| Dakoth |
Devrin, Devvikins, Devvster, however you say it, you are correct on this point. Now please, go cure cancerz. | ||||||||||||||
| Lord Invictus |
Fox isn't blatantly biased. There's a Fox NEWS, and there are opinionated portions who don't claim to be strictly news, but political commentators. Glenn Beck and Hannity are COMMENTATORS, and Bill O'Reilly is opinionated news, but he tends to be centrist, taking left and right stands on many issues. The Factor is... unique. The reporters of Fox may hold any political view, but they generally try to keep it from their reports and give a centrist detail of politics. Whereas MSNBC is the epitome of bias. They have the bias of FOX commentators like Beck and Hannity (I like Beck- not Hannity that much- but I realize he's a commentator. That's not to say I don't believe in his ideals and hold them as well- fiscal conservatism, generally social centrism, libertarianism, etc.- but I realize he's not a 'reporter' in the strictest sense of the word).... I gtg, Beck's on in 4 minutes.
Yes, there's Neo-fascism on the far right, and Bolshevek Communism on the far left. I believe support for both major parties is rooted in pure centrism, but that communism has a foothold on the Democratic politicians, not members (Republicans, I don't believe, have a fascist political base. Just a corrupt one). |
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| Devrin |
I already haz. Jus keepin it secret for the lolz. |
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| Adenn |
LOLWAT |
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| Dakoth |
I refuse to watch MSNBC or FOX News honestly. To me they're just trying to spread around a thick layer of propaganda. Both sides just throw lies at eachother nowadays, not like theres any actual politics going on. But on a more serious note. DEVRIN SCREENSHOTS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN BRO. |
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| Lord Invictus |
Fox DOESN'T throw lies. It exposes them. MSNBC, ABC, NBC, and even CNN are complacent and worship a liberal administration. FOX is now the ONLY source of political truth on television. Every other station has propagated lies (remember that guy with an assault rifle that 'proved' all opposition to Obama was racist? The one NBC aired? Yeah... well he was African American, but they seem to have conveniently cut that out of the clip. Evil white Republicans! Remember ACORN's prostitution deal? Well... maybe not, considering neither Gibson nor Obama paid much attention to it. Van Jones? Wasn't covered until he was FIRED for being a Communist radical and black-nationalist. Truth is biased...) Anyway, I digress. |
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| Darth Splinter |
You THINK Fox is centrist because you're conservative. That's it. | ||||||||||||||
| Crozeus |
Fox couldn't be more republican if it scapegoated the Jews every time it offended someone. | ||||||||||||||
| Lord Invictus |
1) State how FOX propagates 'lies' and I'll respond. You can give me license plate slogans about its bias all you want, but there's no substance. Furthermore, it is inherently centrist, with conservatives and liberals. I'm not a far-right radical; in fact, Alan Colmes is one of my favorite FOX news contributors.
1) If you even want to make a case for bias, claim that FOX supports conservative ideals. Because: a) Fox can't be 'republican' unless it's eating out of the pockets of the Republican Party. If it had Republican ideals, it'd be conservative. b) Glenn Beck, amongst other FOX contributors, has repeatably denounced the Republican party as corrupt and failed, just like the Democrats. Their inability to perform at a high standard is equal; both parties are corrupt, almost irreparably. If you want proof Glenn Beck despises the Republicans- moreso than Democrats, in fact- see the "Refounders" project. 2) You do realize that REPUBLICANS, and conservatives in general, are the most pro-ISRAEL organization in the US, right? See: Ronald Reagan, Bush's, etc. Whereas our lovely anti-Semitic former Democratic President Jimmy Carter has gone with all-out support for Barack Obama- who recently gave an anti-Israel speech at the UN-, claiming that the vast majority of those pesky conservatives who oppose his Highness Obama are racists... which is unfortunate, considering that means over 50% of the entire nation are a bunch of racist white guys. Consider the following: a) Jimmy Carter, pride and joy of the Democratic party, was an admitted racist, anti-Semitic good ol' boy idiot who destroyed our economy and raped the Constitution. b) Barack Obama essentially betrayed Israel's great alliance at the UN, denouncing their so-called oppression of Islam in the area. I'll find the speech if you'd like. I'm sure it's available online... you know, if the government hasn't blocked it off yet. c) Republicans traditionally have been the pro-Israel party. Reagan and the Bush's nurtured a strong alliance with Israel (as did, as far as I know, Clinton... yes, I know. He's a Democrat. But a relatively centrist one). 3) FOX isn't biased. Your argument relies not on facts or examples, but on some sort of overall mood you have. So enjoy the New York Times- whose conservative-liberal count is 1 to 12. Or MSNBC, which is far worse. Abc refuses to cover anything important any longer (Gibson, the figurehead- or former figurehead- of Abc World News didn't even know about the ACORN story, arguably one of the most important events in political history of the last few years), and CNN is lagging behind FOX in the offensive on corruption. --- Fox- mostly Glenn Beck- despises the Republican and Democratic Parties. Bill O'Reilly is moving farther and farther to the left (fair), and the only real holdout of 'bias' on the entire station is Sean Hannity, who's an idiot anyway. He presents truth and I don't think he's biased, he just presents the truth in such a classless and stupid way I'm inclined to agree with most liberals that he can't be listened to. Fox has a wide variety of liberals, my favorite- as I mentioned before- is Alan Colmes. Most of the rest are centrists, with the exception of Hannity and a few less prominent individuals. Glenn Beck is a right-leaning centrist whose commentary scorns the far right and far left, and O'Reilly is a common sense reporter whose monologues lack any idealistic twist (hence; 'No Spin Zone'). Fox covers what nobody else covers; the truth. See; ACORN, the ties between Obama and countless communists, socialists, and various other far-left authoritarians, Van Jones, health care, Afghanistan, etc etc. CNN covered Van Jones how many times? Once, was it? Or maybe CNN was the highest at 10, second to Fox at 90. MSNBC? A pathetic once or twice, along with ABC and the New York Times. Even the Wallstreet Journal is losing credibility here. The fringe-media of the far-left is complacent and content with a well-maintained diet of radical twists shoved down their throats by mouth-piece Gibbs. And by the way, Bush was a crappy President too, so don't think I (and Fox news, for that matter) don't go after him too. A radical with radical ties? No, unlike Obama. A man who destroyed a large portion of the nation and ruined the economy? Yes. |
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| Darth Splinter |
I never said Fox propigated lies. I simply said your inflexing leads you to believe they are centrist, when as the president himself said, they are devoted to shooting down his administration.
No need to write an essay in response to every sly taunt. |
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| Dakoth |
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| Darth Samuel |
This is America, where free speech is allowed, and you are allowed to have any viewpoint you wish. Just because someone is a communist does not bar them from being a member of government. Quit your anti-government shit, cause if a republican was in power you wouldn't be bitching about how the government is secretly covering everything up. Republicans have covered up a lot of crap too including your beloved idiot Reagan. |
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| Devrin |
Yep, you're right. Reagan was an idiot. Definitely. That's why he is consistently ranked as one of the best presidents we've had, next to FDR, George Washington, Roosevelt, JFK, and Abe Lincoln.
I would love to see how you would've handled the situations that he had to deal with. And Invictus never said anything about free speech not being allowed. He was merely stating the obvious. |
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| Lord Vexen |
I like JFK, but in all honesty, if he wasn't assasinated people wouldn't rank him so high on the best presidents. He messed up alot of things. |
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| Devrin |
I actually didn't agree with the whole Welfare thing. I mean sure, it's great helping out people who need it, but there's a limit. | ||||||||||||||
| Darth Samuel |
If you actually cared to look up free market economics, you'd see that it's a bunch of poodoo. There's a reason this recession has been the worst one since the Great Depression, because of free market economics. With Keynesian, it kept a check on the economy so that while it did not grow as much, the recessions weren't as bad. And then Reagan screwed it all up. Also, Invictus' tone was implying that anyone with political idealism farther left than center-left should be hung and drawn. |
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| Lord Invictus |
You're response, whilst absolutely hilarious, fails utterly.
Well, the propagating lies was in response to... Dakoth, I think? He said something along the lines of how MSNBC lied, and Fox was the same. Fox doesn't shoot down Obama's administration. They despised Bush, and Obama is simply failing at EVERYTHING he's attempted to accomplish in the administration. How can you NOT report on ACORN, Van Jones, Obama's ties to radicals? Ignoring that is insanity! He's the president, and now, like Bush was, he's the target. The president should always be the target of the most criticism of any public figure in the US, and the weight of the nation is on his back. My replies to this, like all debates, are long and factual.
I never said anything about baring free speech. I don't think communists should be smothered by the government. I simply disagree with the RADICAL ideology of communism, and feel it has no place in OUR- MY- country's governance. Yes, Republicans cover tons of things up, and many of them are power-hungry manipulating politicians like many Democrats. Bush's excuse to listen in on your phone calls is an example of seizing power... remember, 'never let a crisis go to waste!' Reagan is consistently ranked as one of, if not THE, greatest president in history. Lincoln, Reagan, and Washington are all considered great presidents. FDR and Woodrow Wilson, as well as Theodore Roosevelt, however, were not, as they completely and utterly raped the Constitution, were responsible for enacting socialistic-eugenics policies, and imprisoned people acting on their right of free speech to protest involvement in World War I. And if a Republican were in power I WOULD in fact be complaining about corruption if it surfaced as it did with Obama. You forget; I couldn't have criticized Bush for the majority of his administration because; 1) Too young to know what was going on for much of it. 2) He didn't have FRIGGEN COMMUNISTS AND BLACK NATIONALISTS PUT IN OFFICE. Or, I guess the conservative opposite would be, HE DIDN'T HAVE FRIGGEN FASCISTS AND WHITE SUPREMACISTS PUT IN OFFICE. 3) I was only politically involved in anything in his last year of office, at which point I thought he was a good-hearted failure. Not an evil war criminal as some have stated, but not a success- at least economically- AT ALL.
I agree. JFK was a reasonable center-left Democrat from a reasonable family. He failed at some of what he intended, but he wasn't a crap president.
1) The reason for this recession involves favoring certain businesses more than others (Fannie May and Freddie Mac), giving out excessive loans and government waste to fund private housing when it can't be bought, and other various areas of waste. 2) Look at Estonia. In ten years after the Soviet Union collapsed and Estonia became almost FULLY capitalist the economy rebounded completely, and the life expectancy had a huge increase. Likewise, infant deaths decreased massively, and income rates, etc. had massive improvements. It's an example of how FREE MARKET ECONOMICS WORK. But capitalism vs. regulation isn't the issue that ticks me off most. I vehemently disagree on it, but corruption, waste, and favoritism in the state are the worst issues. Reagan destroyed the Soviet Union, the greatest evil on the planet. Sacrifices had to be made to save lives and to stop genocide. He also didn't destroy the economy. He made difficult decisions in almost apocalyptic times when the threat of global annihilation was nigh. So go admire FDR, who raped the Constitution, promoted eugenics, was elected FOUR TIMES, and was a socialist who prolonged the Great Depression. Would you mind quoting where I said that liberals should be 'hung and drawn'? Oh wait... it's not there. |
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| Darth Splinter |
If you go off on Ayers and Obama, I will seriously begin to throw out all your opinions as hearsay. |
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| Crozeus |
I find it funny that the Democrats are centre right, and the Republicans are slightly more right, but they each call each other much further along the spectrum. | ||||||||||||||
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| Lord Invictus |
I wasn't referring to Ayers and Obama. I never paid much attention to that story. Instead, I'm referring to VAN JONES, VALERY JARET (sp?), ACORN, Reverend Wright (sp?) etc.etc. The list goes on and on of corrupt ties which are linked to the President. Not that he's the center of it. He's a figurehead for the radical movement, little more.
Communism isn't a center-right philosophy. Van Jones was a communist. Obama appointed him to a high level office and refuses to dismiss his radical policies, instead firing him to stop the bleeding. Still hasn't healed the wound by explaining it. Thus, Obama, apparantally, promotes communism (if you give somebody a high-government office, praise them repeatably, then refuse to denounce their ideals, you promote them. It's one thing to tolerate communism... but seriously considering communists for management of our energy needs? Not to mention Van Jones is also a black nationalist who has discussed how 'white polluters have funneled poisons into colored communities', and he believes Bush was either responsible for 9/11 or allowed it to happen with prior knowledge. THAT'S PSYCHOTIC, not just radical). Obama promotes black nationalism by supporting Van Jones, and claiming that an arrest on his Harvard 'comrade' was motivated by race without 'knowing all the facts'. He obviously sees the world in color, to say the least. ??? Obama is a communistic/socialistic black nationalist? Perhaps. Well, back on topic with Crozzie... Traditionally, democrats are center-left, and Republicans are center-right. At least the bulk of support for them is. In the past two-ish years the political stronghold of the democrats has grown to the far-left, socialistic policies. Republicans have maintained a center-right stance, but have become corrupt and idiotic. |
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| Crozeus |
Is he actually a Communist? Is there a source which says "I'm a commie." | ||||||||||||||
| Dakoth |
That ACORN story is a load of bullships I must say. I could go into freaking kmart and accomplish the same stupid thing. | ||||||||||||||
| Lord Invictus |
He's a self-declared communist. JONES: And our Native American sisters and brothers who were pushed and bullied and mistreated and shoved into all the land we didn't want, where it was all hot and windy. Well, guess what? Renewable energy? Guess what, solar industry? Guess what wind industry? They now own and control 80 percent of the renewable energy resources. No more broken treaties. No more broken treaties. Give them the wealth! Give them the wealth! Give them the dignity. Give them the respect that they deserve. No justice on stolen land. We owe them a debt. JONES: We're really entering a third wave of environmentalism in the United States. The white polluters and the white environmentalists are essentially steering poison into the people of color communities. JONES: This movement is deeper than a solar panel! Deeper than a solar panel! Don't stop there! Don't stop there! We're gonna change the whole system! We're gonna change the whole thing. We want a new system. We want a new system! JONES: I'm willing to forgo the cheap satisfaction of the radical pose for the deep satisfaction of radical ends. JONES: In jail I met all these young radical people of color — I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, 'This is what I need to be a part of. I spent the next 10 years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary'.... I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th... by August, I was a communist. Jones was a member of marxists organizations, is very racist, a black nationalist, and is a marxist himself. |
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| Lord Invictus |
Except that ACORN has 30+ employees who committed voter registration fraud, their founder is connected to multiple radical organizations, they first said; "This video is fake!" then, "This is illegal, it's not our employees faults!" Then fired the employees. Then, "This was inappropriate, but we're suing FOX for reporting on the story, despite it being one of the most major stories in the decade!" And they funded Barack Obama. And they, unlike Kmart, have a seat in the administrative and legislative lead of the nation. And they have repeated offenses in MULTIPLE AREAS OF THE NATION. And their top administration has denied it many times. And Barack Obama denies knowledge that ACORN was receiving 'a whole lot of federal money'... whereas in the stimulus they are receiving billions. So no, that's not a major story. Let's, instead, ask our great Premier Obama which sports team will win the next national games, shall we? After all, neither Gibson nor Obama knew about this. Instead, they have to... what was it? “As much of a sacrifice as people say this is for me or Oprah or the president to come for these few days." -Michelle Obama on her 'Sacrifice' to visit Denmark. |
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| Dakoth |
Major stories in the decade? Did you miss the two wars, city leveling natural disaster and crazy missile spewing Korean? But thats beside the point, I mean we need to put our differences aside and put a stop to the death panels mirite? | ||||||||||||||
| Lord Invictus |
Those are also major stories. But corruption isn't just any little detail that we can keep in the closet for the purpose of making the president look good. So respond to the argument instead of dismissing it. The 'death panels' won't pull the plug on Grandma. That's an over exaggeration. They won't be able to put a plug IN because there IS NO PLUG. In a healthcare debate... Healthcare must be rationed if it is universal because the state can't pay to keep everyone alive without becoming communist. Only YOU can take care of YOURSELF. 
Ezekiel Emmanuel on rationed Healthcare. Behold; UTOPIA! Emmanuel:
The government won't snuff your Grandmother out with a pillow. Instead, like in the UK healthcare system, they will come up with the worth of your life in national currency, and then decide the MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF TREATMENTS YOU CAN RECEIVE IN ORDER TO SAVE YOUR LIFE. This number will be attenuated, according to Ezekiel, if you are under 15 or above 55. The reasoning? Children under 15 haven't been hugely 'invested in' by the government. Adults above 55 have lived past their usefulness to the sociological collective's benefit. In simple terms? We've already invested in them, and we've already got our returns as a state. They're now useless. But this is all ancient history, right? He doesn't really believe that...? Then why was he talking about rationing as recent as January... of '09. The death panels aren't a firing squad. They simply put a value on each human life that is highly limited. When you put into effect government run healthcare, then it WILL BE RATIONED. That's inevitable. I'm not saying healthcare shouldn't be reformed. I'm simply saying that there are better ways to do it than to burn down the entire system, and build a new one out of the corpses of the elderly and young. "Isn't healthcare currently rationed by capitalist pigs?" Not really. Emergency care involving life-and-death situations are covered currently. And, also, wouldn't you rather have your own financial security be determined by a series of choices and successes you make than the government deciding who gets what based on social justice (social justice= race, gender, political affiliation, government connections, lack of intelligence, lack of ambition, lack of prior success, etc.). EDIT: One last thing:
-John P. Holdren. The SCIENCE CZAR TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES BARACK OBAMA, in a book he authored in 1973. and yes, he still speaks on this, and still holds that opinion. Not human until early years after birth? WHAT IS THIS? This isn't simply political ideology. This is insanity! |
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| Dakoth |
Holy crap you're insane.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o...a-correct-death-panel-charge-lie/ Stop propagating a lie. |
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| Lord Invictus |
You obviously didn't read my post. I SPECIFICALLY EXPLAINED that these so-called 'death panels' won't kill people based on sociological productivity, which is what Obama denounced. He was correct in doing so. Instead, as with England, France, Canada, etc. where healthcare is rationed, you still be graded based on productivity. Ezekiel Emmanuel's graph is a clear indicator of how- in a 'crisis' (note; as with England, France, Canada, etc. where money is low and healthcare is universal it WILL have to be rationed due to the 'crisis' of not being able to fund everyone's healthcare) we plan to attenuate coverage to certain ages. The Bill itself doesn't set up a panel to judge you. Rather, it sets up the ABILITY to create a panel to judge you. In a crisis situation, you WILL NOT have representation in the government (we hardly do now...). No matter what Obama says he will or will not do, universal healthcare brings us down two routes. 1. Attenuated healthcare to prevent complete bankruptcy. Slow economic decline. 2. Attenuated healthcare (lack of) AFTER bankruptcy. Massive economic decline. No way around it. There is no third route of full and complete healthcare, economic savings (how can we save? This thing will cost TRILLIONS. Be honest; this is the government. It'll cost a lot more than what they say, and statistically if you compare it to the efficiency of the postal service... but I digress). |
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| Dakoth |
You SPECIFICALLY EXPLAINED how healthcare would be rationed based on age, and then I showed you how that wasn't true...
...Healthcare is rationed now based on income.. So basically what you're saying, is you think that if a truck driver and a hedge fund manager both get cancer, the hedge fund manager should live because he can afford private health care, and the trucker should die? So you suport the current rationing, death paneling system over Obamas because you think it will ration health care? What? And on the subject of massive economic decline, our current system is unsustainable as it is. We spend more on healthcare than any other industrialized nation, and yet we still have the worst coverage. "According to the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences, the United States is the "only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not ensure that all citizens have coverage"" Why, because the privatized system doesn't work. Insurers are free to deny coverage to anyone, and are fact encouraged to do so. So they can jack thier premiums up as high as they want, and make record profits, since there is no competition. So basically. Government healthcare currently proposed is not rationed. Current healthcare is highly rationed. You say the the government system will be massively expensive. The current system is unsustainably expensive. But I'm not going to have a rant-off with you, I'll obviously never change your opinion. |
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| Lord Invictus |
You do realize we have what's considered the greatest healthcare on the planet... right? Leaders come from every nation on the planet to receive our healthcare when the cannot receive high quality healthcare in socialized nations. Anyway (we're getting off topic, so I'm not responding after this post unless we move it to the healthcare debate thread), I explained that life-and-death situations are already covered by the government. So the trucker would not die. Our current system is unsustainable? It's almost literally impossible for a capitalist system to be unsustainable. If healthcare companies do fail, then more will rise with cheaper coverage. The answer is to make the healthcare system more capitalist, by closing restrictions on healthcare providers. They could then provide cheaper healthcare with higher quality to more people in an attempt to undercut the competition and make a profit, as opposed to the government. You do know that in England and Canada 80% of the healthcare workers are administrators (only 20% are physicians and nurses!), they are now bankrupt nations (especially in the case of England), and it's almost impossible to receive high quality healthcare. In Italy is takes 70 days to receive a mammogram. In the United States you could probably call in and schedule an appointment TODAY for a mammogram. The government SHOULD cover you if you're dying and require treatments, but honestly can't pay for them due to lack of finances. If you CAN pay for them, then you should be forced by the government (or private hospital) to pay your fees. The current rationing isn't in the strictest sense rationing because we don't pick and choose who lives and who dies by denying life-and-death care. Anyway, the reason costs are high in healthcare is because a socialized government is trying to 'localize' healthcare. If you can create health care insurance on a national level, the company can turn in a higher profit, insure more people, and cut costs. Instead, the government is creating a public 'option' (which will, by the why, kill off private health insurance. It's not 'free'. It'll come with a hefty tax hike; you will not magically clean up the current system, and produce several trillion from waste) which will give low quality care to the populace people, increasing mortality rates. 80% of the nation is already ensured, with most of the last 20% having the ABILITY to be ensured, and much of the rest being illegals who won't be covered anyway. Thus, what's the point of socialized healthcare if your not going to cover the people 'falling through the cracks'? One thing; authority over the economy. If the state gains control of the American economy they can do whatever they want with the lives of 'little people' and manipulate populace's to their own twisted projects' benefits. I'm not saying the current system is perfect; it needs reform. The debate is on which TYPE of reform. |
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| Crozeus |
Hey, Invictus.
Gay black muslim guy having anal with a gay disabled black jewish while discussing how awesome obama is and how much they love abortion. |
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| Lord Invictus |
Hmm? |
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| Crozeus |
Dun that just make your blood boil? | ||||||||||||||
| Lord Invictus |
Because I'm one of those evil racist conservatives, right? In all honesty, no, it doesn't. |
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| Crozeus |
Haha, no. I'm a conservative.
I just think you guys' (as in the US) political rivalry is stupid. |
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| Dakoth |
Some of us don't have the luxury of Monarchy! | ||||||||||||||
| Crozeus |
All would be better if you had just let us rule you peacefully.
Face it, the French... who likes them? You could have kicked their butts in the US while we kicked their arses in Europe. Then we could all live in harmony we could! Pip pip! |
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| Lord Invictus |
In many ways, yes it is. But in the way that we agree to disagree and continue to debate with the welfare of the nation in mind... no, it's not stupid. I won't give up my social and fiscal conservative values for the sake of quietness. I truly believe that communism/socialism (and yes, Obama is AT THE VERY LEAST a socialist; aka. watered-down communism. Technically a fiscal fascist- no, I'm not saying he's a Nazi, I'm saying that, in economic terms, he's a fascist) will be the death of any and every nation should they adopt them. If we got good ol' conservative British Empire back, I would willingly submit as a country to their rule... |
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| Sirak Sazen |
Why is it that my post got deleted and the topic descended into this? Just wondering. | ||||||||||||||
| Dakoth |
I don't know, please reproduce the post.
Obama is not a socialist. Even the socialists don't think he is. |
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| Sirak Sazen |
I'd love to, but I can't restore the magic without my nerd rage. | ||||||||||||||
| Lord Invictus |
Yet, you provide no reason why he's not a socialist. Consider the following... Special Interests + Big Business + Government = Fascism. It's a simple definition. ACORN and Others + GM, GE, and Others + Obama = Capitalism? |
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| Dakoth |
If you wanna debate whether or not he's a socialist start a debate thread. >.> I know he's not so theres not much point in my arguing it.
Regardless, its now my job to make Sirak nerd rage. Killzone a halo killer? Pssh! The only thing that killzone ever killed were ps3 sales. Jianna's word is lawl. er law. people whose first and last name are both S are inferior to those with only a first name. |
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| Rive Caedo |
/backtracks 4 days
Thank goodness my favorite news agency did
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| Lord Invictus |
That was actually REALLY good of Steward... Glad he has some common sense. But he reiterated the same point that the mainstream media completely ignores a massive corruption case that is perhaps directly linked with the current administration, yet FOX is apparently biased for reporting on it. Anyway, I'll /endrant now. |
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| Darth Splinter |
Who the hell is Steward! I have never heard of Jon Steward! |
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| Rive Caedo |
Either way, it does roll off the tongue a bit better than Leibowitz
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| Scion |
That was the funniest thing Stewert has done in a long time. | ||||||||||||||
| Dakoth |
How can you forget Napoleon Stewart so fast. | ||||||||||||||
| Scion |
PRetty easy actually. | ||||||||||||||
| Dakoth |
You dirty Socialist! |
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| Scion |
No YOU'RE A SOCIALIST! | ||||||||||||||
| Dakoth |
TAKE IT BACK! TAKE IT BACKKKKKK!!! | ||||||||||||||
| Lord Invictus |
BLARGH! WHY U DO THIS?! Y U DO THIS? |
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