Xander Vos
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The Jedi Temple TransformationWhat should it become if changed? We have the go ahead from Abba, so start brainstorming.
I myself have a few suggestions:
- Debate forum.
- Online Games forum.
- Duels forum.
Do you have any? Post them here!
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Dork of Mordork
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Duels Forum would be good.
Debate forum would be okay I guess... cause then it'd be a lot easier to monitor them, as to them all being in one area.
Online games would pwnz.
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Anakin
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I don't think the Debate Forum is going to happen, but perhaps expanding on the roleplaying forum.
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Xander Vos
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They're all good ideas! Egad! 
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Dakoth
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Better Idea!
Make it an actual Jedi temple- Have it so that the currently rather enigmatic council has a place to express thier harsh verdicts/ideas/musings to the Jedi populace in an effective way. This also gives them the ability to open up certain debated topics to find out what the general forum consent on the issue is. This would also give those Jedi that are Masters to Padawans a much needed area to petition for the promotion of their apprentices, which as our population grows, becomes more urgent.
If that made sense.. I think we should implement it.
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Lyn Korak
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Dakoth had a good one in the Council Section I think... Oops, no, that was our discussion on planning to ban Embieon.
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Yodafueva me
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Debate! Debate!
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SkywalkerAndVader
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Xander would have like 20,000 posts in a week.
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Xander Vos
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Exactly... 
I would love to have a debate forum, as long as there are strict rules about said debates and a careful watch on them.
Think of all the possibilities, religious, political, global warming, and so on.
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Anakin
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I agree with Xander. Debate forum is needed.
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Darth Shadow
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It isn't needed, it's wanted. There's a difference in the Staff's capacity to moderate and simply watch it happen.
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Dakoth
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Dakoth says no to debates
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Dork of Mordork
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I've put thought to it some more, and my opinion is no debate forum, but a duel forum. Or something else. If you want to debate about Star Wars, go to a Star Wars section. If you want to debate about global warming, go to Other and keep it civil.
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Grand Vizier Tarna
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I agree with anybody that agrees with the debate forum idea. 
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SkywalkerAndVader
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| Dork of Mordork wrote: | | I've put thought to it some more, and my opinion is no debate forum, but a duel forum. Or something else. If you want to debate about Star Wars, go to a Star Wars section. If you want to debate about global warming, go to Other and keep it civil. |
I thought we were secretly trying to draw attention away from the other forum, not the other way around.
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Darth Shadow
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Well, you ruined it anyway by making it public, Great One.   
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Grand Vizier Tarna
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| Darth Shadow wrote: | | Well, you ruined it anyway by making it public, Great One. |
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Xander Vos
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He doesn't mean the Council was 'secretly' trying to do it, he means subtly moving away from having so much belong in the Other forum.
And Shadow, I appreciate your concern for the moderation staff, but I don't believe you speak for anyone on this site.
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Anakin
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Hes speaks on behalf of the Sith site and also as a member. Duh. 
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Xander Vos
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Well, as he so curteously reminded me there, in terms of a query I was raising about rank structure, that it didn't involve me because of my rank, I'm merely doing the same for him.
If the administrative staff feels they would be unable to cope with a Debates Forum, they would say so, no need for Shadow to speak for them.
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Darth Shadow
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Umm.
I am speaking on a personal level. I never said anything about rank, I'm talking about abilities of the Staff.
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Xander Vos
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| Xander Vos wrote: | | If the administrative staff feels they would be unable to cope with a Debates Forum, they would say so, no need for Shadow to speak for them. |
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Darth Shadow
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Problem is, I speak with them on matters regarding both forums and more often than not their opinion squares with my own. Funny how friendship works.
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Xander Vos
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Funny how a Sith like yourself seems so concerned with the workings of a Jedi forum.
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Darth Shadow
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I was never once a Jedi and have not returned to matters that don't seem to concern me. It's so very much like an organ donor asking for his kidney back. It just doesn't happen. So in all honesty I really don't quite care what you have to say, you're not as intelligent as you think.
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Xander Vos
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Um... what? You're going on about matters that have absolutely nothing to do with you, and when I asked you not to speak for people when I am in a much better position to judge the capabilities of the staff, and you somehow manage to squeeze in an insult...
Please don't flame. That's your warning.
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Darth Shadow
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Bitter irony means nothing does it.
Oh, and I'll go ahead and throw this out while I'm "flaming:" It's not a flame if it's true.
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Xander Vos
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Don't even go there Shadow. Flaming is flaming. Telling an anemic person they are pasty in an insulting way is still an insult whether its true or not. And thank you very much, but I belive I'm a better judge of my intelligence than someone who has only known me for a year and a bit on a Star Wars forum.
Getting into a private school in Sydney on a scholarship isn't done by an every day kid you know.
And while we're at it about intelligence, your first sentance was a question, and so should have been "Bitter irony means nothing, does it?" not a mere sentence. I've notice you do that quite a bit in LoES, and its quite annoying.
Now, back on topic.
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Grand Vizier Tarna
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Guys!! Come on. Stop this now.
Alex, you come and voice your opinion on DSL all the time. Shadow has the right to come here and voice his.
Shadow, the intelligence comment wasn't totally uncalled for and had nothing whatsoever to do with what this topic is about.
Both of you just stop and put aside your differences, for the sake of all of us!!
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Xander Vos
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I have never to this date voiced an opinion on TDSL that is against the opinion of whatever thread I was in. I have asked questions about changes to the rank system if that is what you're referring to, but I made it crystal clear it was a question of wanting to understand better, not a challenge.
Tarna, I was already trying to get it back on topic, so lets just ditch that topic. If Shadow wants to flame his heart out, I'll oblige to allow him to do so over PM, but if not, then that's all the better, and we can all just get back to putting up suggestions for a new forum.
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Darth Shadow
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I'm a creative writing major. Trust me, it was a statement.
And a year is a year too long, trust me again.
I'm not flaming, I'm simply pointing out your own behavior in contrast.
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Xander Vos
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Please, this is your second warning, stop flaming.
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Dakoth
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| Darth Shadow wrote: | | It's so very much like an organ donor asking for his kidney back. It just doesn't happen. . |
Is that because they're most likey dead?
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Xander Vos
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Pretty much.
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Darth Shadow
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Not all. My family history is full of people having to get rid of one kidney over the other to a member and they're still very much alive.
Oh, Xander, you don't have any power to warn me. Trying to issue warnings isn't going to make John anymore likely to choose you when the staff revamp goes through.
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Xander Vos
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I really must insist, flame me via PM if you must, but stop diverting this topic. I may not be a mod to actually implement punishments, but I can warn. It seems that despite your apparent boastful statement that you know of a secret revamp you don't know as much as you think.
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Darth Shadow
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Why would I ever bother to conduct indiscretions privately?
If you haven't noticed, I'm following the example you set... well, everywhere. Every time anyone tells you to shut up and take it to private message, you like to remind the entire forum just how bright you are by responding where everyone can see. It's a trife arrogant but yes, I'm done. I know this lesson isn't going to amount to anything when you rub your two brain cells together. 
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Shatterpoint
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Please continue this over PM if you must guys, this is getting way, way off topic.
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Darth Shadow
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Heh. Don't worry Lisa, I already told you I was through.
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Xander Vos
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| Darth Shadow wrote: | Why would I ever bother to conduct indiscretions privately?
If you haven't noticed, I'm following the example you set... well, everywhere. Every time anyone tells you to shut up and take it to private message, you like to remind the entire forum just how bright you are by responding where everyone can see. It's a trife arrogant but yes, I'm done. I know this lesson isn't going to amount to anything when you rub your two brain cells together. |
This is your third and final warning, STOP FLAMING. I have never continued an argument with someone once someone of authority has requested it be taken to PMs. Though, to be honest, that usually is requested after its finished anyway.
You have no position on this forum, and had no right to reveal something that was private. If the Council hasn't revealed it yet, it is with good reason. If you are privy to private ideas, then you would also know we are soon to be implementing a new punishment system, one which I am petitioning for you to be a prime example after your despicable behaviour in this thread.
Now really, back on topic.
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Dakoth
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| Darth Shadow wrote: | Not all. My family history is full of people having to get rid of one kidney over the other to a member and they're still very much alive.
Oh, Xander, you don't have any power to warn me. Trying to issue warnings isn't going to make John anymore likely to choose you when the staff revamp goes through. |
thats lame! donate a brainstem like me and then you can call yourself an organ donor!
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Xander Vos
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I agree with Brian, a Duels forum would be good, because it'd seperate all those one-on-one RPs from the mainstream ones.
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Dork of Mordork
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Sorry, but I have to voice my opinion in this.
Shadow was hardly flaming, not enough to even get suspended on.
Shadow can voice his opinion all he wants, I for one like to hear his opinion.
You're not in the position to "give warnings" leave that up to the CMs.
Now get back on topic, before I lock this.
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Anyways, yeah, I duel arena would be nice, and we could even design our own "official" arena, like a default arena, that if you don't want to choose some special place, you could just say that you want to go there. Otherwise you could go as far as to fight on Hoth.
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Adenn
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Sooo that means like there would be an area where we can all train if we don't know where to go? Awesome.
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Dakoth
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I think a duel section is dumb.
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Lyn Korak
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Sometimes I just don't understand some people here... Flaming seems like everything to some eyes.
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Darth Samuel
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I've done it before.
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Xander Vos
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| Dork of Mordork wrote: | Sorry, but I have to voice my opinion in this.
Shadow was hardly flaming, not enough to even get suspended on.
Shadow can voice his opinion all he wants, I for one like to hear his opinion.
You're not in the position to "give warnings" leave that up to the CMs.
Now get back on topic, before I lock this. |
Brian, someone saying that I have two braincells, that I'm arrogant and not as smart as I think, that knowing me for a year is one year too many is flaming in my books. And saying not enough to "even" get suspended on? That's the second HIGHEST punishment, theres no "even" about it.
And who said anything about suspension?
If that opinion includes flaming, no he can't.
I'm a Master, on the road to Councilship, and if an admin had been on, I'd be a mod right now. I am in a position to warn someone to stop flaming.
Brian, Brian, Brian. I had already twice pushed it back on topic, but both times - first Tarna then you - brought it back to this dead topic, thus reviving it, and then ordering it to end. Either stop all mention of it or allow it to continue, not both.
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Xander Vos
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Ok, its all over now. Now can everyone PLEASE just drop it? It was a smudge in terms of this thread, and we just need to ignore it and get back on track.
I think a duels forum would be good, but also an Online Games forum, and then perhaps renaming Forum Activities: Apprentice Training or something.
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Lyn Korak
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| Quote: | | I'm a Master, on the road to Councilship, and if an admin had been on, I'd be a mod right now. I am in a position to warn someone to stop flaming. |
 Have we decided on that?
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Xander Vos
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Continue in private, I may have been mistaken, or just rambling and making myself feel more important.
But anyway, lets just leave that whole issue behind us.
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Lyn Korak
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Yeah.
I think it should be a Duel Forum.
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Xander Vos
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Same, it would really help seperate RPs, and could be the beginning of advancing our RP system.
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Darth Shadow
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That's incredibly tactless of anyone telling Brian who is one of the most respected and senior CM's to get back on a topic when he has taken an action to comment on what has transpired. Unlike some users who try to correct matters here, Brian actually has the authority.
Now, I have nothing else to say on matters previously discussed. Seeing as how two people of rank over the proponent of suspension have spoken, the matter doesn't really exist.
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Journey
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Hoakey... I still reckon a debate forum would be a good idea
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Dakoth
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| Darth Shadow wrote: | That's incredibly tactless of anyone telling Brian who is one of the most respected and senior CM's to get back on a topic when he has taken an action to comment on what has transpired. Unlike some users who try to correct matters here, Brian actually has the authority.
Now, I have nothing else to say on matters previously discussed. Seeing as how two people of rank over the proponent of suspension have spoken, the matter doesn't really exist. |
Technically speaking, he isnt a "Senior" CM.
This topic right here is the perfect argument against a debate forum. Every topic would devolve into exactly what we see here.
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Thar Kast
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heck i thoguht we had createda debate thread out of this one the fighting really needs to stop cause this whole thing is putting the dick in redickulous
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Xander Vos
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| Darth Shadow wrote: | That's incredibly tactless of anyone telling Brian who is one of the most respected and senior CM's to get back on a topic when he has taken an action to comment on what has transpired. Unlike some users who try to correct matters here, Brian actually has the authority.
Now, I have nothing else to say on matters previously discussed. Seeing as how two people of rank over the proponent of suspension have spoken, the matter doesn't really exist. |
STOP IT!!! FOR THE LAST TIME GET BACK ON TOPIC. For someone who claimed a page ago he was through you sure have a lot to say on the matter.
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Anakin
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..... Ok, stupid arguements over nothing. Anyway, this would be a perfect debate for a debate forum. Huh? Ya?
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Xander Vos
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No it wouldn't because its an argument not a debate. An argument that Shadow just won't drop.
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Anakin
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I mean't a debate to have a debate forum.
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Darth Shadow
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My poor, poor Xander, you fail to realize that I did depart and refrain from commenting on the events of a page ago. I am merely supporting Brian whereas you felt it necessary to lambast him. Showing fielty to Lisa or Brian is not as big a sin as you would like everyone to be led to believe.
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Jaden Nightsaber
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Alright children calm down.
More on topic:
I don't really see the need for any other forum here. The Debate Forum would be very hard to monitor and I think would more often then not turn into flaming. As for the Dueling Forum, there aren't many duels to begin with and those that are made not many of them are really finished. With Online Games; not many of the 'games' we start last too long and are sometimes revived only to die again.
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Darth Shadow
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Well, Jaden, you could aruge that because there is no home, there is no incentive to create/participate as they will fall into the mire of other topics if placed elsewhere.
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The Chosen One
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Why don't we just do what Dakoth said in the beginning, and add the others(except Online Gaming as that fits under "Games").
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Darth Shadow
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Meh. I don't think the forum would benefit from a debate forum.
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Io Lee
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i think we should have a movie forum to discuss movies
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Adenn
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Good idea mccdt68.
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Io Lee
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thanks
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Jaden Nightsaber
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Remember this is a Star Wars forum.
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Io Lee
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ya but people in the games forum sometimes put threads about other games that are not starwars
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Lyn Korak
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| mccdt68 wrote: | | ya but people in the games forum sometimes put threads about other games that are not starwars |
More like most of the time.
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Anakin
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| Jaden Nightsaber wrote: | | Remember this is a Star Wars forum. |
Just because this is a Starwars Forum doesen't mean we can't have other things.
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The Chosen One
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| Jaden Nightsaber wrote: | | Remember this is a Star Wars forum. |
Wouldn't those many "who would win, Dakoth or Vader" (you get the point) fall under debate?
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Dakoth
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| The Chosen One wrote: | | Jaden Nightsaber wrote: | | Remember this is a Star Wars forum. |
Wouldn't those many "who would win, Dakoth or Vader" (you get the point) fall under debate? |
Sadly no, as theres no debate there. Its factual that I would pwn Vader.
*Hides from force choking crazies*
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SkywalkerAndVader
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| Anakin wrote: | | Jaden Nightsaber wrote: | | Remember this is a Star Wars forum. |
Just because this is a Starwars Forum doesen't mean we can't have other things. |
We already have 'other' things. Theres at least like 7 active topics in the other section at one time, while only maybe 1 or 2 in the Star Wars Universe section. If there was a graph of star wars relation from the point the forum began, it would be a dramatic decrease that would make some people cry.
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Xander Vos
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Well, we have several active RPs - which are Star Wars. Several active fanfictions - which are Star Wars. Active forums in the factions grouping - which is Star Wars. In fact, every forum bar four is targeted towards Star Wars, so the tally of Star Wars to non Star Wars forums is something like:
13:4
So making that
12:5
Wouldn't make such a difference.
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Anakin
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| Xander Vos wrote: | Well, we have several active RPs - which are Star Wars. Several active fanfictions - which are Star Wars. Active forums in the factions grouping - which is Star Wars. In fact, every forum bar four is targeted towards Star Wars, so the tally of Star Wars to non Star Wars forums is something like:
13:4
So making that
12:5
Wouldn't make such a difference. |
Sadly, true.
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Jaden Nightsaber
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Yeah everything about our forum is Star Wars in a sense but when's the last time we talked about the movies or TV show? This is what SaV is saying. All be it we are a Star Wars forum but it seems that we are too caught up in our own going ons than that great space epic Star Wars.
And we try to make our forum like the Jedi in those movies and only a few people actually do things with their apprentices/masters. And it seems like ranks are just for respect and power now, it's sad.
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Anakin
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| Jaden Nightsaber wrote: | | And it seems like ranks are just for respect and power now, it's sad. |
Some people do that, but mostly its for fun, and prizes for being active.
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Lyn Korak
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That's what they used to say, Anakin. 
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Dakoth
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Oh yeah.. cuz I've totally got "mad 'spect yo"
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The Chosen One
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| Jaden Nightsaber wrote: | | And we try to make our forum like the Jedi in those movies and only a few people actually do things with their apprentices/masters. |
Our shortage of new members can be attributed to that.
| Jaden Nightsaber wrote: | | And it seems like ranks are just for respect and power now, it's sad. |
I hope no one ignores this quote, it is especially prevalent in one member in particular.
Imho if you turned the Jedi Temple into something like Dakoth said, it would become 10x more active.
We should also add in a debate section. I'm sure many would post in there. It would leave the others section casual.
If you ask me, the only section that should be changed or taken out is the Galactic Republic one. It falls under Old Republic.
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Xander Vos
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But Jaden, isn't that what rank is? Respect and power? What else is it meant for? In the military people strive to be promoted because they want more respect and power, and that's the point of ranks. What else are they for?
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Dakoth
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| Xander Vos wrote: | | But Jaden, isn't that what rank is? Respect and power? What else is it meant for? In the military people strive to be promoted because they want more respect and power, and that's the point of ranks. What else are they for? |
so you get to push the shiney button.
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Xander Vos
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But anyway, what're we going to change it into? A Duels Forum, or the thing Dakoth suggested?
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Dakoth
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I vote for the one I suggested (suprise suprise)
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Anakin
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I think a Debate Forum would be good, because it would let debates run free (I know that sounds corny), without clogging up the other forum. Its like everything is compacted.
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Grand Vizier Tarna
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| Anakin wrote: | | I think a Debate Forum would be good, because it would let debates run free (I know that sounds corny), without clogging up the other forum. Its like everything is compacted. |
Amen Amen I say to that.
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Dork of Mordork
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Run free? No, we would still lock them if they got to a flaming point, ect, just as we would anywhere else.
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Anakin
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No I mean't run free as not getting clogged in the Other Topic.
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Darth Shadow
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A debate forum is a really bad idea. There are people here who just can't handle that kind of a situation and would leap at the chance to affront others with their quasi-intelligence.
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Io Lee
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i think the movie forum is an good idea
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Scion
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I have seen what debates have turned into on this forum, (I for one am at the center of a lot of problems) and could see the downside of having debate forum. Some people, like me, can't control when they see (In their opinion) idiots, they go spaztastic fantastic and then just create tension between people for a while.
i realize what Jaden says about rank, they seem really pointless if rank has no affect on your In-Character in character, most people just make profiles where we all are etremely well trained jedi masters and are done with it, so ranks really don't even mean respect and don't garauntee power.
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Xander Vos
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| Darth Shadow wrote: | | A debate forum is a really bad idea. There are people here who just can't handle that kind of a situation and would leap at the chance to affront others with their quasi-intelligence. |
For the last time, stop insulting me. We all know who you mean and it isn't appreciated. And yes, now I can actually warn you.
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The Chosen One
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| Dakoth wrote: | | I vote for the one I suggested (suprise suprise) |
I still think that is the best suggestion. Basically a pseudo Jedi Council forum.
| Dakoth wrote: | | Make it an actual Jedi temple- Have it so that the currently rather enigmatic council has a place to express thier harsh verdicts/ideas/musings to the Jedi populace in an effective way. This also gives them the ability to open up certain debated topics to find out what the general forum consent on the issue is. This would also give those Jedi that are Masters to Padawans a much needed area to petition for the promotion of their apprentices, which as our population grows, becomes more urgent. |
Currently Knights, or even the higher ups like Guardian, Sentinel, etc., don't have a say in ANYTHING. It isn't like the Council was secretive, and no one ever knew their thoughs or decisions.
I like the idea of the general consensus actually meaning something.
| Shadow wrote: | | A debate forum is a really bad idea. There are people here who just can't handle that kind of a situation and would leap at the chance to affront others with their quasi-intelligence. |
Even if you're not talking to Xander you should keep those opinions to yourself. I for one don't overly like him, but I wouldn't go so far as to insult ones intelligence.
Baiting people is a childish thing. We call that a troll on the internets.
I'm not talking about the run of the mill WoW Troll either.
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Darth Shadow
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Even if I were speaking about Xander, I wouldn't waste my time for something as important as this. The automatic assumption I am speaking about Xander is the hallmark of an overinflated ego, but that's the only thing I'll say on those matters.
Now, to further push my point, imagine the strain it could place on relationships when opinions are discovered. People in the real world discriminate against those who share their views, no one said maturity transfers to the internet (obviously).
It would be most beneficial to have a discussion thread created in Other rather than an overt topic where people can pour their hearts into a pursuasive post. Not censorship, just protective measures.
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The Chosen One
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| Darth Shadow wrote: | | The automatic assumption I am speaking about Xander is the hallmark of an overinflated ego, |
Or you have a strong hunch.
| Darth Shadow wrote: | Now, to further push my point, imagine the strain it could place on relationships when opinions are discovered. People in the real world discriminate against those who share their views, no one said maturity transfers to the internet (obviously).
It would be most beneficial to have a discussion thread created in Other rather than an overt topic where people can pour their hearts into a pursuasive post. Not censorship, just protective measures. |
Basically what you're saying is: if we got to know more about each other and our stances on things, it might cause tension. Odd that getting to know someone more is seen as a bad thing.
If people get to the point of a "strained" friendship, or even a hint of dislike, then they/we weren't friends to begin with. A true friendship doesn't get strained over something as petty as an opinion, on a Star Wars forum no less. Even now I don't consider any of you my friends(no offense). Like I said, I feel you as my "internet" family, but I don't know you well enough to call you friend. I'm closer to some of the people in MB2 than with you guys, simply because we constantly discuss and debate.
Even if a debate forum isn't going to be created though, stuff like this will seep in eventually. Someone even said themselves that the off topic section is sufficient, but personally, I'd rather not discuss it there. Off topic is a casual forum, where most can relax and joke around. In a debate forum, there would be just that. Debate. People would know what topics/forum to avoid if they're sensitive on such matters.
Personally, I'm on the fence. Doesn't matter which way for me.
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Dork of Mordork
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Lol, I get your meaning there.
I am still on the side of no debate forum. Ramen and Will explained it enough.
Lol, funny, I consider you and other people friends. But that's just me.
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Xander Vos
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Actually I thought Ramen explained why we SHOULD have it...
His reasons are pretty much what I agree with but couldn't express as well.
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