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Talen D'aar

SW: Knights of the Old Republic Online

There's been much buzz about a KOTOR MMO, but finally it's been confirmed. At E3 this year Electronic Arts chief executive John Riccitiello was interviewed about the game.

The interview can be found here: www.portfolio.com  

Thoughts?
Darth Samuel

Cool. Maybe this will work on my computer('m looking at you, Kotor 2 disc 4 at 75% installing. Error my butt. Evil or Very Mad)
Yodafueva me

God, console please! The only games I can play on the PC are strategy games. Something like this would be way to hard for me, to many freaking buttons!
Scion

I've already explained this as a terrible idea

http://rebels.myfreeforum.org/ftopic5952-0-asc-15.php

Instead of giving us a conclusion, they give us KOTOR MMO, terrible storytelling and all.
Darth Samuel

Scion wrote:
I've already explained this as a terrible idea

http://rebels.myfreeforum.org/ftopic5952-0-asc-15.php

Instead of giving us a conclusion, they give us KOTOR MMO, terrible storytelling and all.

I know you pwn me at gaming knowledge, but this has the potential to be a massive Jedi vs. Sith battleground. That would be awesome as hell. Throw in the fact that The story could be Revan against the True Sith, and this would be an awesome game(as well as answer some questions about the True Sith that have been unanswered since 2006)
Talen D'aar

Darth Samuel wrote:
I know you pwn me at gaming knowledge, but this has the potential to be a massive Jedi vs. Sith battleground. That would be awesome as hell. Throw in the fact that The story could be Revan against the True Sith, and this would be an awesome game(as well as answer some questions about the True Sith that have been unanswered since 2006)


That's exactly how I feel about it. I mean if it takes place after KOTOR 2, there's countless things they could do. In canon, The Exile was the one that rebuilt the Jedi Order after the Sith nearly wiped them out. In such a dire time of need, age would be cast aside, like Luke's NJO. We'd all start from scratch. That would also raise the risk of pupils falling to the Dark side. Not to mention the things they could do with the True Sith as Sam mentioned. Maybe a large battle event? Who knows?
Lord Embeion

What needs to be done is KoTORIII needs to close up the story and then Lucas needs to take hold of SWG and restore it to it's former glory.
Rive Caedo

Lord Embeion wrote:
What needs to be done is KoTORIII needs to close up the story and then Lucas needs to take hold of SWG and restore it to it's former glory.


Honestly, it's a 5 year old game engine now. They're better off just giving minor updates to SWG to keep the small surviving population alive and making this entirely new MMO with a new engine from the ground up. Then maintain that until 2014+
Scion

Darth Samuel wrote:
Scion wrote:
I've already explained this as a terrible idea

http://rebels.myfreeforum.org/ftopic5952-0-asc-15.php

Instead of giving us a conclusion, they give us KOTOR MMO, terrible storytelling and all.

I know you pwn me at gaming knowledge, but this has the potential to be a massive Jedi vs. Sith battleground. That would be awesome as hell. Throw in the fact that The story could be Revan against the True Sith, and this would be an awesome game(as well as answer some questions about the True Sith that have been unanswered since 2006)


Presentation is a key word, and so far every MMO has terrible story presentation, it will feel hollow compared to what the true KOTOR series offers.  Jedi vs Sith sounds good on paper, but it will end up being Warrior/Wizard/mix on classes, which, while working for single player, would be extremely repetitive for an MMO.

Add to that the huge Good/Evil element (Choice system) that made the game replayable will be gone.  

That's if they remain Jedi only.  If they were to make it like the OLD SWG, I would support this 100%.  HOwever, if everybody is running around as a jedi, it really isn't much fun.
Lord Invictus

I think three nations is good, with one server (that way it's evenly spread):

Jedi- servants of the Republic, you will have a few classes:

Footmen- ranged groundsoldiers who fire weapons, and are not force sensative, but work for the Republic.

Warrior- Able to heal, and use force, but is primarily lightsaber adept.

Er.... mage?- able to heal and use a lightsaber, a mage exceeds in the force.

Healer- a healer, able to use a lightsaber and the force.

Revan's cult-

Footman- ranged.... you know.

Dark Rogue- Able to heal, and use force, but is primarily lightsaber adept.

Revan Cultist- able to heal and use a lightsaber, a cultist exceeds in the force.

Medic- a healer, able to use a lightsaber and the force.

Sith:

Footman- ranged.... you know.

Sith Warrior- Able to heal, and use force, but is primarily lightsaber adept.

Sith Cultist- able to heal and use a lightsaber, a cultist exceeds in the force.

Sith Alchemist- a healer, able to use a lightsaber and the force.



Three classes but it'd be fun if it was skill based instead of WoW clicking. Instead of automatic attacks with abilities, it would be a force unleashed-style game on the PC/Mac involving Acrobatic moves and advanced Force combat. It should be VERY open ended, with ALMOST NO story twisting quests (not like you kill Revan or something... battles are a YES tho....)

Only problem is the weak footmen. Apart from that, YES you can convert to REVANISM from Jedi or Sith, you can fall to the Sith from either, or be redeemed by the Jedi. It's hard, but YES you can at ANY LVL. PVP would be strong, and footmen would be needed for tasks though to fill certain positions (ultimately lvls don't do much). THey should allow more races than galaxies....
Darth Samuel

Consular or Guardian instead of Mage. I think Guardian.
Lord Vexen

Consol over guardian...since the KOTOR games say consols use the force most.
Darth Samuel

That's it.
Scion

Lord Invictus wrote:
I think three nations is good, with one server (that way it's evenly spread):

Jedi- servants of the Republic, you will have a few classes:

Footmen- ranged groundsoldiers who fire weapons, and are not force sensative, but work for the Republic.

Warrior- Able to heal, and use force, but is primarily lightsaber adept.

Er.... mage?- able to heal and use a lightsaber, a mage exceeds in the force.

Healer- a healer, able to use a lightsaber and the force.

Revan's cult-

Footman- ranged.... you know.

Dark Rogue- Able to heal, and use force, but is primarily lightsaber adept.

Revan Cultist- able to heal and use a lightsaber, a cultist exceeds in the force.

Medic- a healer, able to use a lightsaber and the force.

Sith:

Footman- ranged.... you know.

Sith Warrior- Able to heal, and use force, but is primarily lightsaber adept.

Sith Cultist- able to heal and use a lightsaber, a cultist exceeds in the force.

Sith Alchemist- a healer, able to use a lightsaber and the force.



Three classes but it'd be fun if it was skill based instead of WoW clicking. Instead of automatic attacks with abilities, it would be a force unleashed-style game on the PC/Mac involving Acrobatic moves and advanced Force combat. It should be VERY open ended, with ALMOST NO story twisting quests (not like you kill Revan or something... battles are a YES tho....)

Only problem is the weak footmen. Apart from that, YES you can convert to REVANISM from Jedi or Sith, you can fall to the Sith from either, or be redeemed by the Jedi. It's hard, but YES you can at ANY LVL. PVP would be strong, and footmen would be needed for tasks though to fill certain positions (ultimately lvls don't do much). THey should allow more races than galaxies....


You do know how current MMO's are set up right?  KOTOR already offers more realtime combat than WoW or WAR or AoC or anything near it.  In an MMO stance, TFU's gameplay would be impossible, there wasn't even 4-8 person multiplayer for PS3/360.
Lord Invictus

I play WoW. I just thought that perhaps it could be an experiment for Lucas Arts and MMOs...
Darth Thilus

I hope to God that they're not striving too far away from the original games. I mean, I would love some additional ability to move around (can't look up and down, can't jump, such things). Other from that I think it'll be great.

Please make Selkath a playable race!
Rive Caedo

Scion wrote:
You do know how current MMO's are set up right?  KOTOR already offers more realtime combat than WoW or WAR or AoC or anything near it.  In an MMO stance, TFU's gameplay would be impossible, there wasn't even 4-8 person multiplayer for PS3/360.


Not quite true. Planetside and World War II online have already demonstrated real time "twitch" oriented combat as possible in an MMO context. There's several other games like them currently in development.
Dork of Mordork

I can't see this being anything more than a better quality Galaxies. Ugh, why can't they just do what most people want, and have been asking for for years, and make a conclusion to the previous games?

There are already so many MMOs, and twice as many coming out, not to mention the free ones offered on the net as well.

Edit:

And not to mention yet MORE 15+ dollar payments per month in general.
Darth Thilus

Dork of Mordork wrote:
I can't see this being anything more than a better quality Galaxies. Ugh, why can't they just do what most people want, and have been asking for for years, and make a conclusion to the previous games?

There are already so many MMOs, and twice as many coming out, not to mention the free ones offered on the net as well.

Edit:

And not to mention yet MORE 15+ dollar payments per month in general.


Well, if I remember it correctly they stated that the MMO would at the same time be a KotOR III, and continue the storyline. But we'll see how that goes.
Dork of Mordork

Well the fact that it's going to be an MMO pretty much rules it out for me. I can't play MMOs right now for select reasons, and making it an MMO, in my opinion takes too far away from the original games. I want an RPG that I can play alone and not have to worry about "y werent u on yesterday? we had a guild meeting lol" and the like. MMOs are too much hassle for people who can't spare the time, don't want the addiction and or can't afford the payments/have better things to blow 15+ a month on.

Don't get me wrong, I love MMOs, and if I could, I'd play a select few, provided I don't end up wasting my life and money away on it. But not for KotOR...

Like I think Scion said before, when have MMOs ever had a steady and good STORY, like an RPG or even a FPS has had, and can have? MMOs have had good plots, but not very strong stories. That's not what MMOs aim for, and if you've truly played your fair share of MMOs, you'll know that that's true.
Scion

Rive Caedo wrote:
Scion wrote:
You do know how current MMO's are set up right?  KOTOR already offers more realtime combat than WoW or WAR or AoC or anything near it.  In an MMO stance, TFU's gameplay would be impossible, there wasn't even 4-8 person multiplayer for PS3/360.


Not quite true. Planetside and World War II online have already demonstrated real time "twitch" oriented combat as possible in an MMO context. There's several other games like them currently in development.


So did tabula Rasa, all of those MMO's are dead however, showing they didn't have true staying power, and of course it's being worked on, an MMO with 'twitch combat' will surpass all others, doesn't mean it will work out right.

A recently announced Sony game horribly title MAG is a tactical shooter promising 256 players online at once and all it is getting is skepticism (I don't believe it could be done in an effective manner, not without gimping the game to oblivion).  That's only 256, and it seems impossible.  Thousands?  

I like Bioware, and have faith in them, but 8-player co-op from a decade ago is the last experience they have had with any sort of online, and if you look at the games they have made in the past 8 years (KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect, helped on NWN 2), only one has any sort of online and all are too story and choice orientated, something completely lost in an MMO.
Grand Vizier Tarna

And I was really hoping for a good finale to KotOR.  Oh well. Sad
Xander Vos

Tarna!! Good to see you back!!
Grand Vizier Tarna

...did I leave??  I've been on at least every other day, hahaha.
Xander Vos

Have you really??? Well you haven't been posting enough!! Razz
Grand Vizier Tarna

Xander Vos wrote:
Have you really??? Well you haven't been posting enough!! Razz


Now that one I agree on.
Xander Vos

We're getting active again, so keep up! Razz
Grand Vizier Tarna

I'm just seriously mad about this thing.  I would have LOVED a 360/PS3 or whatever the hell comes out next good ole' RPG.  Following Revan, or the Exile, or some new guy.  But unless they really manage to pull this off brilliantly, it's just going to suck.
Lord Embeion

They simply want to milk the cow for another 5-10years
Dork of Mordork

Lord Embeion wrote:
They simply want to milk the cow for another 5-10years


EXACTLY!!

Honestly, that's one of, if not the main reason they're making it an MMO. The flashy 15+ dollars per player per month is so good for them. Who cares if it's not what we've been asking for for years, we're a big company, we do what we want.  Rolling Eyes
Darth Thilus

I get your points. Hmm, a hard nut to crack. But, it's still early, and they might've something very brilliant/insane cooked up that might pull it off.

Well, if they at least put in Selkath as a playable race, I'm sold.  Wink
Rive Caedo

Part of an invitation package to an announcement presentation on October 21st.

Darth Thilus

O.O What is that? Where is that? Is that THAT which it potentially might be, if now THAT is so interesting. What invitation package?
Darth Samuel

Alkto Shekl wrote:
O.O What is that? Where is that? Is that THAT which it potentially might be, if now THAT is so interesting. What invitation package?


It's LucasArts and Bioware. And that statue looks liek the other ones that are on Korriban. So it will be announced on October 21st. I hope it comes out soon! I would buy an Xbox 360 for that game(And you know, because it is an Xbox 360.Wink)
Rive Caedo

Alkto Shekl wrote:
What invitation package?


A packet sent to members of the press and persons associated with Lucasarts/Bioware to invite them to the official announcement on the 21st.

It is interesting that there are 3 statues. It'd be interesting if they're pulling a fast one on us and it's NOT an MMO - it's just KOTOR 3 in all it's single-player Revan/Exile uniting glory.
Darth Samuel

I'd be mad. but i would still get it.
Lord Vexen

Rive Caedo wrote:
It is interesting that there are 3 statues. It'd be interesting if they're pulling a fast one on us and it's NOT an MMO - it's just KOTOR 3 in all it's single-player Revan/Exile uniting glory.


The statue in the back room looks identical to the one at the end of Forces of Corruption.
Rive Caedo

I think this is what you're referring to?
They're not identical. The one you're referring to is holding a lightsaber (the KOTOR preview image has its hands clasped) and has a different robe style.

Lord Embeion

No I don't think they'll pull a fast one

I think Lucas Arts is sick of the SWG phail and want a real SW MMO.
Anakin

More EAW please! Seriously I want EAW 2 to be in development.
Ga'nen

EAW is fun but it really sucks with actual canonical fighting because it's not realistic in terms of how fighting would really happen in the SW universe. -shrug-
Scion

Rive Caedo wrote:
Alkto Shekl wrote:
What invitation package?


A packet sent to members of the press and persons associated with Lucasarts/Bioware to invite them to the official announcement on the 21st.

It is interesting that there are 3 statues. It'd be interesting if they're pulling a fast one on us and it's NOT an MMO - it's just KOTOR 3 in all it's single-player Revan/Exile uniting glory.


A fast one is the only thing I would want right now, but that could be an environment for any game, truthfully, even a SW racing game.
Anakin

Ga'nen wrote:
EAW is fun but it really sucks with actual canonical fighting because it's not realistic in terms of how fighting would really happen in the SW universe. -shrug-


Yeah but its so addicting.  Very Happy
Rive Caedo

Scion wrote:
Rive Caedo wrote:
It is interesting that there are 3 statues. It'd be interesting if they're pulling a fast one on us and it's NOT an MMO - it's just KOTOR 3 in all it's single-player Revan/Exile uniting glory.


A fast one is the only thing I would want right now, but that could be an environment for any game, truthfully, even a SW racing game.


The font and color of "The Wait is Over" is definitely done in KOTOR style. So they're almost definitely not doing anything completely new.

... Though I suppose they could be making "Knights of the Old Republic: Pod Racing Mega Adventure!" - but no one was waiting for that  Razz
Sirak Sazen

Rive Caedo wrote:
Scion wrote:
Rive Caedo wrote:
It is interesting that there are 3 statues. It'd be interesting if they're pulling a fast one on us and it's NOT an MMO - it's just KOTOR 3 in all it's single-player Revan/Exile uniting glory.


A fast one is the only thing I would want right now, but that could be an environment for any game, truthfully, even a SW racing game.


The font and color of "The Wait is Over" is definitely done in KOTOR style. So they're almost definitely not doing anything completely new.

... Though I suppose they could be making "Knights of the Old Republic: Pod Racing Mega Adventure!" - but no one was waiting for that  Razz


Super Bombad Racing Laughing


In all seriousness, a KOTOR MMO RPG would be epic. I'm very pleased Bioware is working on this and I'm excited to see what the Lucasarts team has cooked up in terms of storyline.
Grand Vizier Tarna

Like I said, give me a KotOR III RPG on the console.  Give me my Revan, Exile, and Bastila.  And for the love of Leia, I want my Star Forge back!  

That's it!  The Star Forge II!!  Make a Star Forge Two!
Rive Caedo

Nah, they'll have the Star Forge Forge that built the Star Forge Wink

While I'd like to see Bastila back fully, I'd be more excited to see Jolee Bindo.
Lord Embeion

Make it like Halo.. Each Galaxy has its own Star Forge.. Revan went and ninja'd someone elses.
Scion

I think the funniest thing that could happen is this:

KOTOR 3 is a PS3 Exclusive!

Never gonna happen, but I would laugh very hard.
Rive Caedo

Knights of the Old Republic 3: Coming Summer 2009 exclusively on the Apple iPhone

Wink
Scion

I'd find Lucas and kill him if that were true.
Darth Thilus

This is the plot:

Revan and Bastila did it, which resulted in the birth of the Gungans. Revan committed suicide because to this. Bastila ate cake with GLaDOS to celebrate.

The Exile decided to play chess with Hanharr. The Exile won. The Exile died.

Jolee told the crew some of his stories, resulting in a time/room paradox, transporting the Hadron Collider to them, creating a black hole inside Jolee's left ear.

Atton's head was put in the Ebon Hawk's cargo hold until Halloween.

G0-T0 was named Evil Spaceball of the Sith, and thus invented Spaceballs the Movie.

Sion travelled through time and ended up in your house. He's now in your closet, hiding under the towels.

Treya broke her back while falling through Malachor V. First she died from her injuries, then she died again from the Mass Shadow Generator.

Bao-Dur's remote droid fled to Tatooine and stayed there, waiting for the day Luke would show up so that he might blast the annoying kid.

You are getting bored with this plot, so Lucas decides to scrap it, even though he thought it rocked.
Lord Lanik

LMAO!!!! I likey
Sirak Sazen

Alkto Shekl wrote:
This is the plot:

Revan and Bastila did it, which resulted in the birth of the Gungans. Revan committed suicide because to this. Bastila ate cake with GLaDOS to celebrate.

The Exile decided to play chess with Hanharr. The Exile won. The Exile died.

Jolee told the crew some of his stories, resulting in a time/room paradox, transporting the Hadron Collider to them, creating a black hole inside Jolee's left ear.

Atton's head was put in the Ebon Hawk's cargo hold until Halloween.

G0-T0 was named Evil Spaceball of the Sith, and thus invented Spaceballs the Movie.

Sion travelled through time and ended up in your house. He's now in your closet, hiding under the towels.

Treya broke her back while falling through Malachor V. First she died from her injuries, then she died again from the Mass Shadow Generator.

Bao-Dur's remote droid fled to Tatooine and stayed there, waiting for the day Luke would show up so that he might blast the annoying kid.

You are getting bored with this plot, so Lucas decides to scrap it, even though he thought it rocked.


At least it's better than Attack of the Clones.
Rive Caedo

Alkto Shekl wrote:
Atton's head was put in the Ebon Hawk's cargo hold until Halloween.


That was in the game already. I guess you just didn't get enough dark side points Wink
Talen D'aar

Scion wrote:
I think the funniest thing that could happen is this:

KOTOR 3 is a PS3 Exclusive!

Never gonna happen, but I would laugh very hard.


I would as well, because I own a PS3, and I would love to rub 360 fanboys' noses in it.
Scion

Talen D'aar wrote:
Scion wrote:
I think the funniest thing that could happen is this:

KOTOR 3 is a PS3 Exclusive!

Never gonna happen, but I would laugh very hard.


I would as well, because I own a PS3, and I would love to rub 360 fanboys' noses in it.


Well, the odds of it actually coming to the PS3 are higher than before, EA owns Bioware.

Whats your PSN? (If you have one)
Sirak Sazen

Scion wrote:
Talen D'aar wrote:
Scion wrote:
I think the funniest thing that could happen is this:

KOTOR 3 is a PS3 Exclusive!

Never gonna happen, but I would laugh very hard.


I would as well, because I own a PS3, and I would love to rub 360 fanboys' noses in it.


Well, the odds of it actually coming to the PS3 are higher than before, EA owns Bioware.

Whats your PSN? (If you have one)


I'd actually boycott anything Star Wars related if that happend. Yeah, that includes Rebels Razz
Talen D'aar

Scion wrote:
Talen D'aar wrote:
Scion wrote:
I think the funniest thing that could happen is this:

KOTOR 3 is a PS3 Exclusive!

Never gonna happen, but I would laugh very hard.


I would as well, because I own a PS3, and I would love to rub 360 fanboys' noses in it.


Well, the odds of it actually coming to the PS3 are higher than before, EA owns Bioware.

Whats your PSN? (If you have one)


My PSN is Sinsational. I play CoD4, Rock Band, and SoulCalibur IV online atm. But I have other online games as well.
Scion

http://www.swtor.com/

GReat. No KOTOR 3.  Stupid MMO.  First Bioware game I will probably bash.
Lord Invictus

It looks pretty awesome, and I would want it if it had no prices for paying monthly subscriptions. As an MMO, it does, I have WoW, I don't want it.
Rive Caedo

Yikes, I hope they're planning on like... completely reworking the graphics engine. This looks worse than KOTOR II - and pretty much every modern MMO on the market right now. Heck, it looks worse than Star Wars Galaxies and that came out 5 years ago.

Unless the gameplay turns out to be completely amazing - I pass.

Spoiler tagged due to large image - and to save you from the pain of the oversized lightsabers, pixelly graphics, and Force Choke indicated by a pink halo... if you can resist clicking.
Spoiler:


What were they thinking? Those lightsabers are like 3 times bigger than they should be. It's not even close.
Scion

Lord Invictus wrote:
It looks pretty awesome, and I would want it if it had no prices for paying monthly subscriptions. As an MMO, it does, I have WoW, I don't want it.


It's EA and Lucasarts.  There will be a monthly fee.

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Yikes, I hope they're planning on like... completely reworking the graphics engine. This looks worse than KOTOR II - and pretty much every modern MMO on the market right now. Heck, it looks worse than Star Wars Galaxies and that came out 5 years ago.

Unless the gameplay turns out to be completely amazing - I pass.


Notice the the more cartoonish animations and art style?  I wonder if WoW had anything to do with that....

From my understanding, it going to use mostly KOTOR gameplay.  Also it looks like Jedi will be an available class from the start, which is most of what ruined Galaxies, that and almost everything else in the NGE.
Rive Caedo

While the Jedi issue certainly didn't help, the main problem was the NGE tried to replicate WoW's combat system in a game engine that wasn't designed for that - or even for major combat.

At least this one will be built from the ground up as a WoW clone most likely  Confused

Although I did see a video interview where they talked about being able to use skills like persuasion to finish quests. And every fifth sentence they said "story driven" - so maybe it will be Biowarey.
Talen D'aar

For the record, that previous link provided by scion was defunct for me, so if another one could be provided...

Anyways, I'm hoping to high heavens that they don't make the game cartoony. The thing that gave KOTOR its awesomeness to begin with was the grittiness, the believability. Plus, they better make the lightsabers smaller, that's not even funny. That looks like the lightsabers I used to make out of cardboard rolls. >.>
Lord Invictus

Rive Caedo wrote:

Spoiler tagged due to large image - and to save you from the pain of the oversized lightsabers, pixelly graphics, and Force Choke indicated by a pink halo... if you can resist clicking.
Spoiler:


What were they thinking? Those lightsabers are like 3 times bigger than they should be. It's not even close.


That picture... was awesome Very Happy jk I swear!  Laughing

Yeah.... maybe WoW isn't so bad.... ((it's mo' bettuh' da'n anythin' elsh out der'!)
Darth Samuel

I could care else about graphics(though the oversized lightsabers are an insult to star wars fans.). I can't wait. Sith Emperor, True Sith. It looks like Revan failed though, if the True Sith are still there.
The Chosen One

Suddenly, questing jedi, thousands of them!
Talen D'aar

I just finished reading an in-depth interview and watching a video on Gamestop.com that revealed the big game. They talked about how the storry affects the game, that like in the movies, the individual character - and in this case, character class - has their own storyline to follow and each choice you make will impact how that story is shaped. They said that this isn't like their other games, where you can save and check out how it plays. There is no save button, so the choices you make - good or bad - you will have to live with for hours and hours afterwards. Pretty interesting concept when they explain it themselves. There's also some details on the story so far. Set 300 years after the first two KOTOR games and about 3600 years before the films.

More information can be found here: SW:TOR
Darth Samuel

300 years afterwards is ample time to build up a resurgent jedi order Laughing
Talen D'aar

Yeah, and according to that article, ample time for the True Sith Empire to come back with a vengeance. They're even saying that during the Sith's conquest and conquering dozens of worlds that they managed to sack Coruscant.
Darth Samuel

these are the sith from naga sadow's empire. They have had 1,300 years to do it(Naga sadow was defeated around 5000 BBY, this game takes place around 3700 BBY). I'd say compared to the 300 years the republic had, it wouldn't be that surprising.
Scion

The Chosen One wrote:
Suddenly, questing jedi, thousands of them!


Poor Galaxies.
Sirak Sazen

Storyline sounds fair enough. Graphics aren't bad. If it gets less cartoonish, I'd be happy.
Rive Caedo

A lot of interviews went up today, here's the bits I found interesting:

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Here are just a few of the things they aren't talking about today: the story delivery system, grouping, space combat, the number of classes, travelling between planets, player housing, how long the game's been in development, how many people are working on it, PC exclusivity, subscription fees, the release date. Best quote of the event: "We're not talking about anything that has to do with space today."


I'll start with my favorite bit of Laughing from the interviews:

This...
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Again, BioWare knows that with the Star Wars license overhyping can very easily be done. We want to make sure we exceed expectations with this game. The only way to do that is to only talk about systems that we understand thoroughly.


And then two questions later...

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Will quests be more than just the usual 'kill 10 rats' style of quest'?

Daniel: The k'lor'slug is 20 feet tall, and horrible, and can eat your face ... and that's what you fight at level one as a Sith. The first thing you ever fight in the game is that thing. And you never do anything less heroic than that.


Yeah. No hype there Razz

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"When you play like a Jedi from 1 to max, and then decide to start as a Sith, you won't see any content that will be the same."


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Even if you play through the entire game as a Jedi, then do it all again as a Sith, "You will not see one repeated piece of content. Not one quest, not one line of dialogue, nothing."


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I'm sure that anyone here that's played an MMO knows you can get into a situation with a whole bunch of players smacking on one dude. You all surround him and it's like "yeah, kill him!" Wow, that's heroic. It's great that all of us good guys got together and slammed that orc down. That's something we don't want to have happen in our game and we're working towards much more epic, heroic battles. Where you're the guys who are outnumbered.


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One of the things you make have noticed if you're a hardcore fan is that in KOTOR, that actually all of the tombs on Korriban are actually ... you've got the tombs of Marka Ragnos, etc. These people come in and touch The Old Republic a lot, in the same way that characters from KOTOR and KOTOR II touch our game a lot.

It's very important if you're a KOTOR fan and you were wondering, "Okay, what did the Exile and Revan do after all that was over?" We know they went off into deep space to fight some ancient evil, but what happened? What happened with the different adventures, what happened with Bastila ... this isn't stuff we'd ever want to shove in anybody's face, because there's also going to be some guy playing this that all he's ever seen in his 12-year-old life is Episode I. That's what he saw. Or, the guy who actually hasn't seen Star Wars.


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We might be able to do some cameos for some characters from Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2 ... the ones that could live for 300 years. There are some in there


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There was a very large portion ... the Jedi council actually objected to the signing of the treaty with the Sith Empire and they thought, "Hey, it's a trap! They're the Sith and they're going to do horrible things!," Ackbar was screaming, nobody would listen to them. In the history of the thing, all of these people went to sign the treaty, they got killed, Corusant got sacked, and then they got forced into a much, much worse treaty. The Jedi left Corusant, saying, "Hey, you guys aren't really listening to us anyway, we're going to back up and do our own thing." They went to Tython – that's where you start training – and Korriban obviously was one of the first worlds the Sith were like, "Uh, that's ours, give it back."


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Companion characters are a big innovation we have. We want them to be more than pets, we want them to be virtual friends. We want you to interact with them, to become friends with them. We want you to think of them as actual companions on your journeys throughout the game. Your actions are going to change how your companion characters develop. If you're a Sith and you decide to be very evil following the classic Darth Vader role, your companion is going to develop very different than if you decide to be more towards the lights side.

Companion characters can also act as your conscious ... or perhaps push you towards evil. And finally you'll be able to form friendships and romances with companion characters – or even betray them for extra power.


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"Social gaming is something we don't want to forget. If you want a solo experience, you can do that. You can also really get involved with other people and do cool stuff together." Plus there are other advantages, he adds, such as when you're preparing for a group encounter - you can fill any role gaps with AI companions, and avoid having to wait around for human players.


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Can you talk a bit more about the companions. Modern BioWare games have these great camera angles, this great voice acting ...

Gordon: We've decided to go with really bad voice acting.

Rich: And no cinematic at all. [laughs] This is something where we know what we're doing. We can't talk about it a lot, but we can say that we have a lot of learning that we can take from previous BioWare games. If we're going to take storytelling to the next level we certainly have the base to work from on that.

Daniel: There are more than we've ever had before, and they have to be able to interact with the various classes. That is exactly what they'll do. One of the great moments early when someone plays a Sith ... I think I can safely say that one of the first companion characters you interact with is not an evil person at all. And the first time you strike somebody down and do something vicious, your companion character turns to you and is like, "Uhhh." One of the reasons you'll want to do certain things is because you'll want to impress a companion character.


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You have to understand too, that all the players are heroic. When you play as a non-Jedi class, you're playing a heroic version of that class. Yeah, most Bounty Hunters in the Star Wars universe could probably get beaten up by Luke Skywalker. That said, Jango Fett and Boba Fett can hold their own. Jango Fett actually killed a Jedi in Attack of the Clones. Yeah, he gets killed by the highest level Jedi (Mace Windu) but Boba essentially incapacitates a Jedi in Return of the Jedi. Luke has to be rescued by Han Solo.


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Some of you have heard horror stories about the BioWare writer's training program. There are over three months after the multiple tests that you spend before you ever get to touch the game just training to be a BioWare writer. And if you're writing a class, which is the most sacred thing to be doing, you get stuff written all over your stuff constantly. You'll pitch a plot to me, and you're writing the Sith, and I write on the board: "And then Darth Vader ... helped a farmer ... save his tractor." And then I point at it and then we mock you. And then that doesn't go in our game.


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You will never in the game go into a cantina and poke a random person to see if you can solve their problems and they'll give you money. You will never have some stranger on the street ask you to save their cat. You do large, heroic things. I always tell people that we have to keep pushing forward. The level of writing and quest building that was acceptable in KOTOR would absolutely not be acceptable now. Mass Effect came out and absolutely set a new bar for this. We're coming out and saying we can push that even further. I always tell my writers to imagine if the very first response you could ever choose to any quest you might pitch is, "Excuse me, I'm saving the world. Is this important?"

The next one you think is, "Is it valid?" Because it might be, again, the Jedi guy who says, "Uh, I don't want to do this," but maybe we can convince him to go find your cat. But Vader? Really? That's actually why when I said that there's absolutely no faction cross-over ... I could never find a single example of a story Ben Kenobi would do that Vader would also be down with.


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We are going to have crafting, because that's a big part of MMOs. We're going to implement crafting in a way that 'feels' right for Star Wars.

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But what about those players who were hoping for a KOTOR 3 in the style of the previous games, rather than a KOTOR MMO? "We're passionate about this franchise, but in our minds we're doing KOTOR 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9," Muzyka offers.

"This game is that big. It's huge in terms of the content, the story, the things you get to do. It's set in that same part of the Star Wars universe, with all the things that MMO fans have come to know and love - exploration, progression, customisation, combat. But with a story as well."

"As more gets revealed about what we're actually doing, we suspect those people will be very happy,"

"When this comes out, it's going to be the best game BioWare's ever done."


All in all, interesting stuff and pretty much what I predicted earlier in the thread (that they'd be making one of the most solo-oriented MMO's ever).

... But it still doesn't help make those lightsabers any less ridiculously oversized.
Sirak Sazen

I'm not too worried. I really trust Bioware and they know what they have to live up to.
Scion

Sounds like you can be a Jedi or Sith out of the box.  Stupid.
Rive Caedo

At least it makes sense this time around.

Unlike Star Wars Galaxies...

Obi-Wan: "That boy was our last hope."
Yoda: "No... there is another."
Obi-Wan: "Oh yeah, I forgot. There's like a few hundred thousands of us left. Aren't there?"
Yoda: "Why attack the Empire, we have not... I do not know."
Sirak Sazen

Galaxies sucked and I am making a statement right here so pay attention you kittens!

If KotOR 3 sucks, I will boycott Star Wars in general. This includes Rebels.
Rive Caedo

By the time it comes out - I bet you'll have forgotten that statement  Razz
Sirak Sazen

Hopefully. In all seriousness, I think it will be a good game. We don't know when it is coming out and is most likely only in its beginning phases. All the things we're complaining about, oversized lightsabers, cartoonish graphics, etc. will in all likelyhood be fixed by the time the game arrives.
Rive Caedo

Based on other MMO's - this won't be out for 2-3 years. 1 year if they (foolishly) rush it.
Sirak Sazen

I wouldn't expect it out for quite some time. I think this may be the biggest project Bioware has ever worked on. They are very professional with this type of thing. It'll be a good game.
Rive Caedo

New screenshot that wasn't on the official site:

Spoiler:

Sirak Sazen

Yeah, that looks to me more like concept art than an in-game screenshot. That would explain the lightsaber largeness.
Rive Caedo

Afraid not. I just checked the official forums - about half of which are complaining about the graphics and about 80% of those are complaining about lightsabers. There's now interviews with the art director saying that the "styled approach" is intentional and that...

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Even though lightsabers (and all weapons in the game, in fact) will start out oversized for visual impact, they'll still be able to grow as you get more experience.


Which led to this being posted Laughing


Someone also made a photoshop modifications that looks A LOT better to me.


Talen D'aar

Yeah, I'd definitely be able to support lightsaber size in that second one. Like the art director said, Big enough to be noticed, but small enough not to be a distraction.
Sirak Sazen

Big enough to be noticed? It's a friggin' lightsaber! How could it not be noticeable?
Lord Invictus

Sirak Sazen wrote:
Big enough to be noticed? It's a friggin' lightsaber! How could it not be noticeable?


Correct! When the beam of light suddenly thwacks you and severs limbs, I think you'd notice. When a gigantic Death Star laser-sized blade completely disintegrates your body into ash it's just stupid. Also, when pink, magic-mushroom-inspired glitter shoots off your neck you have no idea what's going on. When your lifted into the air by your neck while an enemy grips your neck with the force it makes more sense....
Rive Caedo

To be fair, I think they mean:

"Hey, there's an enemy player running up to me.

Oh look! I can tell by that MASSIVE lightsaber hilt at his hip that he's a Jedi! I don't like fighting Jedi. I'm going to run."

Once the saber is lit - yeah, you'll know. Once that bounty hunter shoots a grapple around your legs - yeah, you'll know. The key is knowing before that happens so you can make a decision on what to do.

... It doesn't make it look any less terrible. And there are other ways to accomplish the same goal.
Lord Invictus

Other ways? Such as:

Hover your mouse over them:

"Lvl 10 Jeeeedaaai! OMG RUN RUN RUN!"

"LVL 40 BOUNTY HUNTER! AHHH!"

Or- for roleplaying:

"I can sense a powerful Jedi with the force."

"My sensors have found a bieng with high midichlorian count. KILL HIM!"

Yeah.... uh.... that's pretty simple.
Sirak Sazen

"Bioware, you have failed me for the last time!"
*Pink force choke*
Darth Samuel

The Jedi Level 10 one is awesome!!!!
Rive Caedo

First gameplay footage:

http://www.swtor.com/media/vidcasts/viddoc001

It looks better in motion than it did in screenshots, but I still don't really find myself caring about this game.

They talk about "you can't save - you can't reload" but all that really means is that people will check The Old Republic Wiki to make sure they're making the "best" choices for their character's progression.
Sirak Sazen

Eh, too laggy. I couldn't really get a good view of it. I still predict a fail.
Lord Embeion

Hmmm.. The graphics choice is defiantly unique. IDK wether it will reduce lag or increase it, hard to tell. I hope there is a main quest line and most of the leveling is similar to the old SWG. At this point it looks like fail...but we never know. They haven't revealed much


and with how the graphics look... I don't like how the Lightsabers are short.
Darth Samuel

I want to get it badly. I don't care what you guys say, I luvs my customizable character options. Hopefully they have nautolan as a species. I'd be soooooooooooo happy.
Talen D'aar

I liked the graphics. The saber combat was a little too fast, but it still looked sweet. I'm looking forward to it, crossing my fingers, and just waiting for more footage. ^^

EDIT: Plus, it's pre-production footage. For pre-production footage that's pretty damn good.
Rive Caedo

Early production varies from company to company. WoW didn't change much from pre-alpha until release in terms of graphics (although the interface certainly did!)



Guild Wars on the other hand...



Versus post-release:
Talen D'aar

Yeah, let's hope it's the Guild Wars example. XD

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