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trent

Rightness

I think it is now obvious what this forum is about. It is about bias and unfairness and a small group of people who want to harass and ridicule and engage in name calling towards other people. Then when the person retaliates or complains they are one who is banned. What an interesting study in what's wrong with extremists and extremism.

Yes the whole little group of you are extremists. Rive talked about me setting an example but yet the one he sets is far from one of integrity.

He deleted a great many of the offensive posts by his little extremist followers. (Which is what some of you are) Yet left those that incriminated me. That is dishonest, dishonorable and lacking in moral character in the extreme. Wondrous example to set for the young people here as an adult member and an admin.

Then when two people hurl insults (I was far from the only one) he only criticizes the person who doesn't agree with the viewpoint. A case for certain of very small mindedness.

I know of at least one other person who said they will never return here, because of the disparity in the way members are treated.

Unfortunately for the site, I downloaded the posts last night and have already taken them to the Consumer Protection Agency and filed a discrimination complaint against My Free Forums and Rebels.

I had to laugh at Embeion's message to me, that people have freedom of speech. Only one side here does however. Freedom of Speech includes the right to complain about your treatment and take it to a higher authority if you so desire. I know you all hate the 'legal arguments' but rights are balances which means your freedom of speech can't infringe on my freedoms. (Such as to not be discriminated against because of my pro-choice belief) That belief is exactly what all of this is about and denials I am afraid would not ring true. Because otherwise I would not have been banned, or all of us involved would have been banned.

This is supposed to be a roleplaying site where young people come to role play star wars. Not a political site where young people humiliate other young people for their own gratuitous fulfillment. And and administrator (Rive Caedo) helps them to do so. What a shame. What a sad thing as well. I will see my complaint through to the end. The young people here however will continue to be taught and to exercise the wrong message.

I am expecting the ban of Trent to occur immediately and this post to be deleted. Why wouldn't it be? But there is always another way on and a new identity.
Sirak Sazen

Oh really? It's called an IP address. Ready the banhammer.

trent

Banhammer Sirak? They would have to ban all proxy servers and names beyond count as well as approve all new members by tracing the IP which....will lead to somewhere new every time. Very Happy
Sirak Sazen

You'll get bored after realizing that nobody here really cares how many times you come back and get banned.
Crozeus

Who's this?
Sirak Sazen

It's Jianna.
Rive Caedo

Honestly Jianna, you completely overreacted to a verbal warning against you suggesting you change your behavior. We used to give out suspensions almost weekly.

It was not - repeat not - due to any of your beliefs. It was due to your attitude. And now, I am sure that the staff has made the correct decision.

Why would you wish to continue coming back to a place that has - apparently - so offended you?

The internet is vast and wide: go elsewhere. You're no longer welcome in this club.
Crozeus

Is it? I find it odd that she would file a complaint against MYFF, considering we admin a site on it... Confused
Sirak Sazen

She's (if I may) cukkoo for Cocoa Puffs.
Crozeus

I like cocoa puffs Smile
Adenn

We love you too.
Crozeus

Yay. Wait. Me or her?
Adenn

Why not both?
Sirak Sazen

Re: Rightness

I'm going to try not to get involved any further, but I'd like to point out why I think she's slightly crazy.

trent wrote:
I think it is now obvious what this forum is about. It is about bias and unfairness and a small group of people who want to harass and ridicule and engage in name calling towards other people.


It doesn't make much sense that we would create a forum solely for the purpose of bullying that has lasted for longer than 3 years and has become among the highest rated sites of MFF.

trent wrote:
Then when the person retaliates or complains they are one who is banned. What an interesting study in what's wrong with extremists and extremism.


You weren't banned for simply complaining, you were banned for attempting to get Rebels in trouble and when MFF attempted to tell you no, you reported them as well.

trent wrote:
Yes the whole little group of you are extremists. Rive talked about me setting an example but yet the one he sets is far from one of integrity.


Rive handled the situation the same way that any responsible leader would have. You were causing turmoil on the site, were warned as stated in the rules, then flipped your lid. Integrity? Rive is integrity.

trent wrote:
He deleted a great many of the offensive posts by his little extremist followers. (Which is what some of you are) Yet left those that incriminated me. That is dishonest, dishonorable and lacking in moral character in the extreme. Wondrous example to set for the young people here as an adult member and an admin.


There were no such deleted posts. Everything was left as-is. He sets a good example. You are being dishonest by lying to the forum, dishonorable by acting as you did after Rive's warning, and lacking in moral character by threatening to spam us out.

trent wrote:
Then when two people hurl insults (I was far from the only one) he only criticizes the person who doesn't agree with the viewpoint. A case for certain of very small mindedness.


Actually, I disagree with Rive on a great many debates/issues. He was closer to your viewpoint than the people you claim he agrees with. Don't bring small-mindedness into this. I can pull up some posts that illustrate your small-mindedness in a heartbeat.

trent wrote:
I know of at least one other person who said they will never return here, because of the disparity in the way members are treated.


Yet you refuse to tell us who this person is, if he or she even exists.

trent wrote:
Unfortunately for the site, I downloaded the posts last night and have already taken them to the Consumer Protection Agency and filed a discrimination complaint against My Free Forums and Rebels.


Good luck with that.  Rolling Eyes

trent wrote:
I had to laugh at Embeion's message to me, that people have freedom of speech. Only one side here does however.


Did we stop you from posting in the debates? Only after you were rightfully banned. You're posts are still there. Freedom of speech is available to anybody who chooses not to break the rules or go ape-poodoo (no censor, I wrote that) after a warning.


trent wrote:
Freedom of Speech includes the right to complain about your treatment and take it to a higher authority if you so desire. I know you all hate the 'legal arguments' but rights are balances which means your freedom of speech can't infringe on my freedoms. (Such as to not be discriminated against because of my pro-choice belief) That belief is exactly what all of this is about and denials I am afraid would not ring true. Because otherwise I would not have been banned, or all of us involved would have been banned.


You were banned by your own fault, not for expressing your views.

trent wrote:
This is supposed to be a roleplaying site where young people come to role play star wars. Not a political site where young people humiliate other young people for their own gratuitous fulfillment. And and administrator (Rive Caedo) helps them to do so. What a shame. What a sad thing as well. I will see my complaint through to the end. The young people here however will continue to be taught and to exercise the wrong message.


You can continue to believe want about Rebels. We will remain a strong community with or without your membership.

trent wrote:
I am expecting the ban of Trent to occur immediately and this post to be deleted. Why wouldn't it be? But there is always another way on and a new identity.


This is childish.
Crozeus

I know who the other person is. Aha, power.
Sirak Sazen

I'm going to guess that it's Drake Marsee.
Rive Caedo

I suppose so, although I believe Drake is long gone.

This is an unfortunate situation that got out of hand. We attempted to resolve it:

Invictus was out of line. Rediker was out of line. Sirak was out of line. Jianna was out of line.

Invictus' reaction when I told him to keep a more level head: Cooled off.

Rediker's reaction when I told him to keep a more level head: Cooled off and then some.

Sirak's reaction when I told him to keep a more level head: Apologized and even offered to stay out of the debate threads entirely for awhile.

Jianna's reaction when I told her to keep a more level head: To call me biased. Then to complain to MyFreeForum. Then, when MyFreeForum said "This isn't a valid complaint", to complain to a governmental entity (which will toss it out as frivolous along with the rest of the similar complaints from the vast wide internet). To dismiss a SECOND administrator's request.

Is there really any question here who deserved to be banned?

And now, her reaction is to return on a second account - call the entire forum terrible - and to threaten to return on more accounts to... continue yelling at all of us?

If there was any doubt left... I think it's been cleared up.

Therefore: For the first time in many many months:
Adenn

lolinternetdramafails
Crozeus

Sirak Sazen wrote:
I'm going to guess that it's Drake Marsee.


Hmm, nope. At least, I doubt it. He's just been gaming a lot.
Crozeus

I am now very very upset. She deleted her site that I help to run, and I lost a fanfic I was writing. Twenty pages, gone. Thanks Crying or Very sad
Rive Caedo

Please send me the url of the site (before it was deleted) and the name of the fanfic in a private message. There's a chance I can recover your work.
Rediker

Well this is sad.

Sorry to see you go like this Jianna/trent.
Lord Invictus

Re: Rightness

I wonder why she called herself "trent". Because, frankly, that sounds like a European village...

Wow. Just wow. This is truly ridiculous.

She's trying to get SWAT troopers to attack myfreeforum because she doesn't like an administrator's personality (which, in itself, is horrible, considering Rive is one of the most open-minded members).

I believe there is a function for banning an IP address (or maybe it's just e-mail).

In some ways, I will miss that debating era.... not really.
Adenn

No, don't IP ban her. Please.
Rive Caedo

@Adenn

Out of interest, why?

Because you're worried about the minimal chance that someone else will share the same IP Address? Or because you want to see more drama? Razz
Adenn

oh pls, I wish I could speak as intelligent as her.

Yes, I love to see sparks fly on a forum. It's the Internet UFC for me.
Lord Invictus

I partly enjoy these member flames. In all honesty, it usually gives me "the giggles".
Adenn

Lord Invictus wrote:
I partly enjoy these member flames. In all honesty, it usually gives me "the giggles".


Amen brother.
Dakoth

Re: Rightness

trent wrote:
I think it is now obvious what this forum is about. It is about bias and unfairness and a small group of people who want to harass and ridicule and engage in name calling towards other people. Then when the person retaliates or complains they are one who is banned. What an interesting study in what's wrong with extremists and extremism.

Yes the whole little group of you are extremists. Rive talked about me setting an example but yet the one he sets is far from one of integrity.

He deleted a great many of the offensive posts by his little extremist followers. (Which is what some of you are) Yet left those that incriminated me. That is dishonest, dishonorable and lacking in moral character in the extreme. Wondrous example to set for the young people here as an adult member and an admin.

Then when two people hurl insults (I was far from the only one) he only criticizes the person who doesn't agree with the viewpoint. A case for certain of very small mindedness.

I know of at least one other person who said they will never return here, because of the disparity in the way members are treated.

Unfortunately for the site, I downloaded the posts last night and have already taken them to the Consumer Protection Agency and filed a discrimination complaint against My Free Forums and Rebels.

I had to laugh at Embeion's message to me, that people have freedom of speech. Only one side here does however. Freedom of Speech includes the right to complain about your treatment and take it to a higher authority if you so desire. I know you all hate the 'legal arguments' but rights are balances which means your freedom of speech can't infringe on my freedoms. (Such as to not be discriminated against because of my pro-choice belief) That belief is exactly what all of this is about and denials I am afraid would not ring true. Because otherwise I would not have been banned, or all of us involved would have been banned.

This is supposed to be a roleplaying site where young people come to role play star wars. Not a political site where young people humiliate other young people for their own gratuitous fulfillment. And and administrator (Rive Caedo) helps them to do so. What a shame. What a sad thing as well. I will see my complaint through to the end. The young people here however will continue to be taught and to exercise the wrong message.

I am expecting the ban of Trent to occur immediately and this post to be deleted. Why wouldn't it be? But there is always another way on and a new identity.



Dear lord....

You're... You're right...  My god what have we done!  I must repent at once!  You have my word that you shall be an administrator of this site on the morrow and Rive struck from the records!


Seriously.. What did you hope to accomplish with that post?
Io Lee

The best thing we can do is to just ignore things like this. She is being very childish saying that she is reporting us. I don't think that they will even read her complaint. If she was wise she should have cooled down and apologize. The worst thing she could have done was call you sexist.
Xander Vos

I must agree, these spats give me the lols... especially Dakoth's reply. Razz

Seriously Jianna, I've been in your corner from day dot, because I trained you for a bit. If I hadn't been sticking up for you you would have had it coming much earlier. And you call us bias? For a 50-something year old you have a lot of growing up to do.
Rive Caedo

Io Lee wrote:
The worst thing she could have done was call you sexist.


I don't believe she did that (if she did, feel free to quote).

She insinuated that I was part of our anti-abortion conspiracy against her. And that was causing me to be biased against her. Which seems rather silly, considering I'm on the pro-choice side of the argument (provided they're done within 3 weeks of conception).

But, alas, she's correct. I've been fooling you all. She must have deciphered the fact that my name is just a clever anagram for "A Voice, Red"

Io Lee

I want that shirt!

But yeah if she comes back and says "I'm the over lord of all sporks" then I will be forced to send the guys in white suits and big needles after her.
Rive Caedo

I finally figured out why this situation seemed so familiar to me!

We've been acting out - symbolically - this episode of the greatest television show of all time.

Place myself in the role of Malcolm Reynolds. Jianna in the role of Atherton Wing. And basically the entire rest of the forum in the place of Inara.
... And I guess Dakoth can be Kaylee Wink

Yes, this is partly an elaborate ploy to get those of you that still haven't to watch my favorite television series ever. But seriously: it's scary how closely the way this situation has played out parallels this episode.

EDIT:
I forgot! As an added bonus - this is the episode to feature a brief cameo by a Star Wars Expanded Universe ship! A little after 7 minutes in, you can see the [Starlight Intruder] landing.
Crozeus

The best cameo remains the Millenium Falcon in ROTS.
Rive Caedo

Yeah, but that's an in-universe cameo. Cross-Universe cameos are rarer Smile

To "return the favor" a Firefly-class transport later appeared in a Star Wars comic.


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