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The Chosen One
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Other SectionIs it possible for the other section posts to not count towards post count? In many of the forums I visit, it is set up like this. Reason being, other section doesn't contribute to "on topic" forum discussion, as this is a RP forum afterall.
It also helps measure, if a new person is contributing to the forum in a positive light(roleplays, ideas, star wars universe discussion, etc.).
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Xander Vos
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I disagree... I actually think the opposite, Introductions should count towards your posts. If you're posting in Introductions threads, helping people understand their way around, and posting in the Other section, or other "off-topic" forums. (If you're saying because we're an RP site and so should make Other posts not count, then you can chuck out pretty much every forum then) then people will think that this person with only 4 or 5 posts is a n00b, and doesn't know what they're doing, when in fact they are contributing a whole deal.
Why deceive? Why say posts don't count towards your post count when in fact they are posts? It is after all meant to be a measure of how many posts you have made - not of how active you are - so taking out forums for which your posts count towards is baseless, as its essentially going against its purpose. That's like ignoring goals scored in a soccer match in certain time periods. Why, when its meant to be counting the goals scored, not the goals scored in a certain period?
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The Chosen One
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| Xander Vos wrote: | | I disagree... I actually think the opposite, Introductions should count towards your posts. If you're posting in Introductions threads, helping people understand their way around, and posting in the Other section, or other "off-topic" forums. |
Introduction threads in the Introduction section are different from off topic discussion in the Other section. Though, I do agree that Introduction posts should count as helping someone in the Introduction section is contributing to the forum in a positive light. Talking about what you had for dinner, Led Zepplin, or Anime is not.
| Xander Vos wrote: | | (If you're saying because we're an RP site and so should make Other posts not count, then you can chuck out pretty much every forum then) then people will think that this person with only 4 or 5 posts is a n00b, and doesn't know what they're doing, when in fact they are contributing a whole deal. |
That's largely irrevalent. Post count shouldn't equal how much someone has contributed, or how much of a n00b they are or aren't. For example, on the MB forums, people have join dates dating all the way back to 2004, yet they only have 100-200 posts. However, they are far from "n00bs" to the forums.
Whether someone is a newbie to a forum or not, should be judged upon their join date, not their post count. Again taking the MB forums into consideration, I have a lot more posts there than some of the veteran players do. I'm a newbie compared to them, simply because they have been there before me.
| Xander Vos wrote: | Why deceive? Why say posts don't count towards your post count when in fact they are posts?
It is after all meant to be a measure of how many posts you have made - |
Post count can be a measure of how much a poster is actually contributing to the overall forum. As said above, many posts in other section, doesn't really matter for anything.
| Xander Vos wrote: | | It not of how active you are - so taking out forums for which your posts count towards is baseless, as its essentially going against its purpose. |
This forum doesn't really need an other/off topic section. It's more of a privilege. The purpose of this forum is to roleplay, and discuss anything that falls under the Star Wars namesake: games, books, and comics, not rugby, or Invader Zim. If you want to talk about that, it will technically not count as a part of the forum, as that is not the purpose of this site.
I'm not saying take out the off topic/other section, I'm saying disallow the +1 of post count there.
Again, this would also help in determining who is actively contributing in a positive light. Someone with a post count of 2-3 after a total of 57 off topic posts would be less deserving of a promotion than someone with 40 as his post count.
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Scion
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Agreed, I always thought the Other Forum should have been a spam forum, but never really seemed to care enough, but it makes perfect sense, I have been on many large scale forums that do this.
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Lord Embeion
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Posts are posts. All should count, even spam! its still posts...
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Dakoth
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I'm not even going to read the rest of this thread. That is how utterly and completely wrong I think you are. So wrong, that in fact, It takes every muscle in my body not to lock this thread.
Post count dosen't exactly mean anything anyway =/
kkbye
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Anakin
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| Dakoth wrote: | I'm not even going to read the rest of this thread. That is how utterly and completely wrong I think you are. So wrong, that in fact, It takes every muscle in my body not to lock this thread.
Post count dosen't exactly mean anything anyway =/
kkbye |
Tru dat. So you should lock this.
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Rive Caedo
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I actually agree somewhat, but because we don't really look at post-count for anything - and because removing it from the post count at this point would do one of three things (I'm not sure which one)
1. Cause many people who have frequented the "other" forum to have a post count far above and beyond what would be possible for new members.
2. Cause many people who have frequented the "other" forum to have their post count drop by several hundred (or thousand) posts - angering them.
3. Cause people who enjoy having a high post count to try to shove conversations into Star Wars Universe or Forum Activities - instead of other.
The main reason we don't count introduction forum posts - if anyone's interested. Is so we can disregard people with "0" posts as having defunct accounts.
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Xander Vos
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| The Chosen One wrote: | | Xander Vos wrote: | | I disagree... I actually think the opposite, Introductions should count towards your posts. If you're posting in Introductions threads, helping people understand their way around, and posting in the Other section, or other "off-topic" forums. |
Introduction threads in the Introduction section are different from off topic discussion in the Other section. Though, I do agree that Introduction posts should count as helping someone in the Introduction section is contributing to the forum in a positive light. Talking about what you had for dinner, Led Zepplin, or Anime is not. |
Once again, the post count is the post count, not the posts in a positive light count.
| The Chosen One wrote: | | Xander Vos wrote: | | (If you're saying because we're an RP site and so should make Other posts not count, then you can chuck out pretty much every forum then) then people will think that this person with only 4 or 5 posts is a n00b, and doesn't know what they're doing, when in fact they are contributing a whole deal. |
That's largely irrevalent. Post count shouldn't equal how much someone has contributed, or how much of a n00b they are or aren't. For example, on the MB forums, people have join dates dating all the way back to 2004, yet they only have 100-200 posts. However, they are far from "n00bs" to the forums. |
I'm talking public perception. When I see someone join an RP and they only have a handful of posts, I know they are new, so obviously I don't expect them to have the RPing skills of say Dakoth. You might nobly say that you would never judge anyone by their post count, but everyone does it.
| The Chosen One wrote: | | Whether someone is a newbie to a forum or not, should be judged upon their join date, not their post count. Again taking the MB forums into consideration, I have a lot more posts there than some of the veteran players do. I'm a newbie compared to them, simply because they have been there before me. |
Why? I could join, leave for six months, come back, still not have a clue what the forum is about, but receive no help because everyone thinks I've been there for six months.
| The Chosen One wrote: | | Xander Vos wrote: | Why deceive? Why say posts don't count towards your post count when in fact they are posts?
It is after all meant to be a measure of how many posts you have made - |
Post count can be a measure of how much a poster is actually contributing to the overall forum. As said above, many posts in other section, doesn't really matter for anything. |
And as said above, those posts are still posts, therefore your post count should count those posts, as posts is what your post count is counting.
| The Chosen One wrote: | | Xander Vos wrote: | | It not of how active you are - so taking out forums for which your posts count towards is baseless, as its essentially going against its purpose. |
This forum doesn't really need an other/off topic section. It's more of a privilege. The purpose of this forum is to roleplay, and discuss anything that falls under the Star Wars namesake: games, books, and comics, not rugby, or Invader Zim. If you want to talk about that, it will technically not count as a part of the forum, as that is not the purpose of this site. |
Oh, so next you're going to suggest we get rid of the Other section? Ban people from socialising, getting to know eachother better and develop closer friendships with eachother? Because that's essentially what the Other forum does.
Why not just delete Forum Art? We're a RPing forum after all, who gives a crap about pretty signatures or avatars? Or Fanfiction? Fanfiction is just selifsh, its basically one person doing an RP on his own. How selfish is that? Deleted.
| The Chosen One wrote: | | I'm not saying take out the off topic/other section, I'm saying disallow the +1 of post count there. |
Ah, but in saying
| Quote: | | This forum doesn't really need an other/off topic section. |
Are you not implying that it should therefore get rid of it? I don't need a light in my room, so I'll just get rid of it?
| The Chosen One wrote: | | Again, this would also help in determining who is actively contributing in a positive light. Someone with a post count of 2-3 after a total of 57 off topic posts would be less deserving of a promotion than someone with 40 as his post count. |
Why not? They're still contributing to this site in a positive light. Every post someone makes does that. Talking in the Other forum is a way of letting off steam, joking around, getting to know each other, how is that not positive? Are you saying we should just bottle it all up and become the next TDSL?
People in the first five ranks receive promotions merely for being active, which we judge with our eyes we don't just look at their post count and say "Wow! 100 posts! Promotion to Grand Master!" we judge promotions from our experiences with members, through RPing and through the Other section. Of course we aren't going to promote people who do nothing that spam, even if they did have 500 posts. That's just silly.
| Quote: | | The main reason we don't count introduction forum posts - if anyone's interested. Is so we can disregard people with "0" posts as having defunct accounts. |
 So if Joe introduces himself to the forum, has a discussion with a few people on how the forum works, and then welcomes other people and tries to help them, but hasn't gotten around to asking for a Master shouldn't earn a promotion?
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Dakoth
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH QUOTE WARZ!
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Rive Caedo
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| Quote: | | Confused So if Joe introduces himself to the forum, has a discussion with a few people on how the forum works, and then welcomes other people and tries to help them, but hasn't gotten around to asking for a Master shouldn't earn a promotion? |
No no, that's not what I meant (although I would generally like to see people attempt to join a roleplay (or something), before giving them a promotion), I meant that occasionally we may need to delete accounts to clear up space in the database (not a large issue, but one that could come up in the future). I don't like to delete people that have had any activity, but a user that joined 3+ months ago and has 0 posts is usually pretty safe to delete.
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Xander Vos
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Well, if they've posted in the Introductions forum, then we get the issue that Abba caused a few months ago when she deleted all users with 0 posts, and ended up deleting new members who had only recently joined and had only posted in introduction threads. I say make the posts in that forum count, otherwise we run the risk of the same thing happening again.
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Rive Caedo
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That's why I said 3+ months ago. You need to look at their join date and post count - otherwise you end up deleting active users, or creating strange post deletions on relatively recent introduction threads.
Abba made a mistake, but we shouldn't eliminate a tool for that reason - just make sure that our current admins know how to use that tool correctly (if at all - it's not really needed right now, as I said)
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Xander Vos
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If anything, Forum Activities causes a lot more "spamming" than the Other forum anyway. I personally don't participate in the games in there, but I'm sure given two users motivated to boost their post count, before too long you end up with huge post counts in a game like Word Association.
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Lord Vexen
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This one is wise...
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Dakoth
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| Xander Vos wrote: | | If anything, Forum Activities causes a lot more "spamming" than the Other forum anyway. I personally don't participate in the games in there, but I'm sure given two users motivated to boost their post count, before too long you end up with huge post counts in a game like Word Association. |
Even if some users wanted to "Post count boost", what good would it do them? I don't see the point you're making?
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Anakin
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People think a longer post count means they're like "veterans". Even though thats true. Jk Jk. 
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Rive Caedo
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Indeed, since we don't really look at post count, I don't see any purpose to changing Other or Forum Activities. Introductions is slightly more controversial apparently, but I really don't want to take that administrative tool away - just to boost post counts by a couple hundred. Buuuut, posting in Introductions and "showing new users the ropes" is something we look at for promotions (mostly after Knight, but it's still nice to see Padawans and below greeting new members).
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Xander Vos
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| Dakoth wrote: | | Xander Vos wrote: | | If anything, Forum Activities causes a lot more "spamming" than the Other forum anyway. I personally don't participate in the games in there, but I'm sure given two users motivated to boost their post count, before too long you end up with huge post counts in a game like Word Association. |
Even if some users wanted to "Post count boost", what good would it do them? I don't see the point you're making? |
I don't know what good it would do them, and that's exactly it. People, for some reason, see an importance in having a larger post count, it makes them feel special, when that's rediculous.
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Dakoth
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| Xander Vos wrote: |
I don't know what good it would do them, and that's exactly it. People, for some reason, see an importance in having a larger post count, it makes them feel special, when that's rediculous. |
So its not hurting us in any way, if anything its benefitting the forum by giving us more page views/posts/whatever. Why change it?
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Rive Caedo
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*raises an eyebrow* I think you're both arguing for the same thing. Heh.
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Darth Samuel
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I really don't see how post count makes you veteran. rank does. people see Rive as a Veteran because he is grand master. people wouldthink I am relatively new because of my Padawan Rank, even though I joined 16 days after Rive. so I don't see what good this Idea would be. and Dakoth, nice job pointing out a spelling error by Alex. wait, it's the apocalypse!  . jk. again Xander, JK
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Dakoth
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The most grammatical userbar means I can 
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Darth Samuel
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no, way, you got that title? I thought Xander would have that in a landslide vote.
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Dakoth
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No, Xander got it, which means if he messes up we must point it out ferociously! 
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Darth Samuel
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oh. okay then, I'll be on the lookout.
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Xander Vos
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EDIT: Eep, never mind. 
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Anakin
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| Xander Vos wrote: | | EDIT: Eep, never mind. |
Heh awards make Dakoth on the lookout now.
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SkywalkerAndVader
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I had thought about doing this a while ago, having the Other section count as no posts. At this point, I don't see the point in changing it now, if we were going to change it, we should have done it a long time ago, not when we had already accumulated so many posts in that section. I for one enjoy my post count, and wouldn't want to see it drop a few thousand posts. I simply don't think this should be done.
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Thar Kast
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i say we leave it as it is and that way we will not have any problems from this.
the old way works so leave it as it is and don't try "fixing" it.
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Anakin
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| Thar Kast wrote: | i say we leave it as it is and that way we will not have any problems from this.
the old way works so leave it as it is and don't try "fixing" it. |
I concur, this current way is good.
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Thar Kast
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yep. it works so why mess with it.
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Xander Vos
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Exactly. Why fix something that isn't broken?
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Dakoth
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So we are arguing for the same thing... Well I won!
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