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Dakoth

Sources indicate that Bioware is made from pure win-eseium and pwnium-dioxide.  Failure is unpossible.
Lord Embeion

unless they go to lv 2 and transform into there Blizzard form.
Darth Acheron

Have you guys seen the trailer? Looks absolutely stunning.
Adenn

Yes, I have seen it. Very Happy
shadowball2021

Darth Samuel wrote:
To revive this, this game is going to be sweet. Why?

Bioware.


That pretty much sums it up for me... Razz
shadowball2021

Here are some new vids on the classes from the game; the Sith one is totally bad***!!!  Twisted Evil

http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/816...om09_oldrepublic_spc1_082109.html

http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/816...om09_oldrepublic_spc2_082109.html

http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/816...om09_oldrepublic_spc3_082109.html

http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/816...om09_oldrepublic_spc4_082109.html
Darth Samuel

I would have wanted to see a better use of lightning, but being able to pick up another lightsaber and then use it is pretty sweet.
Lord Embeion

ugh they look bad when they run. Combat system looks slowww to. But I'm still gonna buy it

It was hard to keep it in my pants when I saw the Smuggler cover.
Devrin

The running on TOR looks WAYYYYY better than the running on WoW does.

By the way, this game looks AMAAAAZAZINGGGG.
Lord Embeion

ah. You haven't failed to make me laugh yet

The Bounty Hunters clown feet is a little to much.
Devrin

When it all comes down to it, WoW will become obsolete when TOR comes out.
Darth Samuel

Keep telling yourself that.
Lord Embeion

People always look at an upcoming MMO and go " ITS THE WOW KILLER!" but so far they've all failed. Even hurt by it after there release because people won't leave WoW. This will be no different. Won't be a total failure though

WoW has MILLIONS of subscribes.. only time can kill it.
Or the new xpac...
Devrin

Aww, are Sam's feelings hurt?

Just because most of the other MMOs failed does not mean that ths one can't bring WoW down.
Darth Samuel

It isn't going to kill WoW. I have never even played WoW.
Lord Embeion

It's really not gonna kill WoW... I can already tell by these videos that the PvP is gonna be lacking so even if by Gods will every PvE player on WoW switched to TOR.. WoW could still survive on its PvPers... which would still be in the millions.

Your not Han Solo you can't beat the odds.
Devrin

You misunderstand. I never said that everyobody playing WoW would leave it for TOR. I was merely stating that TOR would cause the population of players on WoW to drop.
Darth Samuel

Yeah, but not by much.
Lord Embeion

Devrin wrote:
You misunderstand. I never said that everyobody playing WoW would leave it for TOR. I was merely stating that TOR would cause the population of players on WoW to drop.


Ya I know what you were saying. I was just saying even if every PvE player did decide to leave for TOR that it still wouldn't kill WoW. All it would do is just cause server merges and some bad Devs would get put on other projects.
Lord Invictus

WoW's population will continue to rise: so far, no game even comes close to WoW in quality.

I believe the next expansion will be a success, much like Wrath, and that the population will increase again.
Darth Acheron

I'm starting WOW after the HSC, as is most of my year.
Crozeus

Don't do it!
Devrin

Am I the only one that was able to not get addicted to the horrible beast known as WoW?
Lord Embeion

I've freed myself after hitting 80 and clearing 25naxx in AH epics.
Devrin

I played it for three or four days straight at my sister's house house, and never got addicted. Sure, it was fun, but not addictive.
Crozeus

I played the trial and it was awful, I really couldn't like it.

The only good thing was my guy's name: Gorgutz the Orc Smile
Scion

Aion has already set a record for preorders for an MMO and has 3 million players outside of America.

Meanwhile I have seen many people leave WoW due to WotLK and the most recent patches which do nothing but make th game more simple than it's already simplistic form.  I do honestly believe TOR will take a bigger chunk of WoW than people think and WoW is on the downturn.

Now that they have announced Diablo 3, the largest part of it's playerbase is losing interest, which is people who grew tired of Diablo 2.

Now that SC2 will be out soon, Blizzard only gamers will soon stop playing WoW in favor the first Blizzard game not named WoW in 7 years (By the time SC2 comes out, anyways.)
Lord Embeion

I can't argue that WoW isn't on the lower half of its life span =/ I don't think any one game will kill it though, just the devs.
Lord Invictus

WoW is slowly losing some support.

However, I don't believe it's dead, nor is it dying. Rather, it's a troubling time in its life span, though it will recover. Face it; it has a monopoly on MMOs (all other MMO's currently available are crap. AoC, Galaxies, and this looks like it). Diablo 3 will only, I believe, attract MORE people to Blizzard's products, including Wow, instead of diverting attention from WoW. I also think Cataclysm will be great (whoever was the mod who locked my post about Cataclysm is an idiot, and abused his/her powers).
Adenn

Lord Invictus wrote:
WoW is slowly losing some support.

However, I don't believe it's dead, nor is it dying. Rather, it's a troubling time in its life span, though it will recover. Face it; it has a monopoly on MMOs (all other MMO's currently available are crap. AoC, Galaxies, and this looks like it). Diablo 3 will only, I believe, attract MORE people to Blizzard's products, including Wow, instead of diverting attention from WoW. I also think Cataclysm will be great (whoever was the mod who locked my post about Cataclysm is an idiot, and abused his/her powers).


And again there is my question. Why didn't everyone like Cataclysm? It looked great.
Crozeus

Borderlands anyone?
shadowball2021

Crozeus wrote:
Borderlands anyone?


Yes, looks sweet  Very Happy
Scion

Borderlands isn't an MMO, which is why it was left out of the conversation.

It has ascended to a higher level than MMO's
Lord Embeion

SSJ2?
Lord Lanik

Saw this thread and had to jump in...DarkFall Online looks uber awsome
Lord Vexen

Lord Embeion wrote:
SSJ2?


Epic win.

/thread
Dakoth

Lord Invictus wrote:
WoW is slowly losing some support.

However, I don't believe it's dead, nor is it dying. Rather, it's a troubling time in its life span, though it will recover. Face it; it has a monopoly on MMOs (all other MMO's currently available are crap. AoC, Galaxies, and this looks like it). Diablo 3 will only, I believe, attract MORE people to Blizzard's products, including Wow, instead of diverting attention from WoW. I also think Cataclysm will be great (whoever was the mod who locked my post about Cataclysm is an idiot, and abused his/her powers).



How can you possibly think some new racials, and rehashing a bunch of old outdated content can make a good expansion?  They're just stirring embers at this point honestly.
Lord Invictus

Dakoth wrote:
Lord Invictus wrote:
WoW is slowly losing some support.

However, I don't believe it's dead, nor is it dying. Rather, it's a troubling time in its life span, though it will recover. Face it; it has a monopoly on MMOs (all other MMO's currently available are crap. AoC, Galaxies, and this looks like it). Diablo 3 will only, I believe, attract MORE people to Blizzard's products, including Wow, instead of diverting attention from WoW. I also think Cataclysm will be great (whoever was the mod who locked my post about Cataclysm is an idiot, and abused his/her powers).



How can you possibly think some new racials, and rehashing a bunch of old outdated content can make a good expansion?  They're just stirring embers at this point honestly.


New instanced starting zones, new class-race combinations, updating old content to make people want to level alts, progressing the storyline, creating more pvp areas, updating all racials, Worgen and Goblins, five more levels, a new profession, flying in Azeroth, high level zones in Azeroth, new progression modes, likely graphics update, tons of new abilities, new aesthetic abilities, higher customization, high level instances of higher quality, etc.

THAT makes a good expansion.

It's like Wrath of the Lich King: "How do you think a few new zones and a class can make a good expansion? It'll suck!". Whereas it was the fastest selling game in history, and a massive success.

Stop with the qq. This'll pwn, and you'll miss out.
Lord Embeion

You can't use Galaxies.. WoW didn't kill it. SOE killed its own MMO and the same will happen with WoW/Blizzard. Ya AoC was always crap. You forget the LoTR: Online.. thats crap to. But ya using Galaxies is just low to try and prove your point. It's like 7 years old


oh Evercrack is crap to and theres plenty others. By you only naming two means you have little experience in the MMO world besides WoW.

p.s. Invictus your bad. Weres your Pre LK Dk 2k+?
Lord Vexen

Lord Embeion wrote:
You forget the LoTR: Online.. thats crap to.


It wasn't to bad. I thought the demo was decent enough...same with the Matrix online.
Lord Invictus

Lord Embeion wrote:

p.s. Invictus your bad. Weres your Pre LK Dk 2k+?


I don't get what you mean by 2k+. 2,000 WHAT?

I have a pre-Lich King Deathknight. Warrior.
Lord Embeion

omg bad stop talking please
Crozeus

Cram it Kyle.
Dakoth

Oi guvna! stop launching this storm of henious insults!
Crozeus

Oi! Or what? I have the Redcoats at my side!
Dakoth

The people on my side wear camoflauge!
Crozeus

We don't need camouflage we don't! We fire our blunderbusses into the tree line and your men will fall like wheat in the Devonshire harvest they will!
Lord Invictus

Crozeus wrote:
Oi! Or what? I have the Redcoats at my side!


Crozeus wins.

Crozeus.

Wins.
Lord Vexen

Lord Invictus wrote:
Crozeus wrote:
Oi! Or what? I have the Redcoats at my side!


Crozeus wins.

Crozeus.

Wins.


Dude, you're American. Support America or GTFO.
Darth Samuel

Invictus is now an unamerican communist who loves Van Jones.
Dakoth

Geez invictus, he doesn't realize that everyone across the pond is only a stones throw away from the domination of the Iron Curtain.
Devrin

Oi! You betuh get ovah eer or I'ma ram me thumb up ya buttle!

And the redcoats F41l3d.
Lord Embeion

twice!
Crozeus

They failed? We pulled out of the US to defeat Napoleon... the greatest Military mastermind for a thousand years... and in 1812 you declared war on us, and we raped you and burned down the White House.
Lord Invictus

Crozeus wrote:
They failed? We pulled out of the US to defeat Napoleon... the greatest Military mastermind for a thousand years... and in 1812 you declared war on us, and we raped you and burned down the White House.


True.

Dat.

1812 was a joke for the US; our capital was lost and the British most MERCIFULLY allowed the 'traitorous colonies' survival.


Anyway, Van Jones is a communistic racist moron who Obama put in the White House to manage a large sector of the economy... wait... doesn't that show something about our great Obamessiah?
Devrin

Napolean and the U.S. let the British beat them.

Also, we pwned you guys in the Revolutionary War, where you guys had better everything.
Darth Samuel

Lord Invictus wrote:
Crozeus wrote:
They failed? We pulled out of the US to defeat Napoleon... the greatest Military mastermind for a thousand years... and in 1812 you declared war on us, and we raped you and burned down the White House.


True.

Dat.

1812 was a joke for the US; our capital was lost and the British most MERCIFULLY allowed the 'traitorous colonies' survival.


Anyway, Van Jones is a communistic racist moron who Obama put in the White House to manage a large sector of the economy... wait... doesn't that show something about our great Obamessiah?


You are still a leftist liberal obamaloving pelosi-worshiping van jones idolizing commie.
Lord Embeion

Sorry gents we won both wars. My history book says so.. so it has to be true.
Devrin

Obama rocks.
Crozeus

Devrin wrote:
Napolean and the U.S. let the British beat them.

Also, we pwned you guys in the Revolutionary War, where you guys had better everything.


Actually, you didn't. The War of Independance, as it is correctly called, was between France and Britain. Considering Britain was ruling 1/4 of the world at that time, they pulled out to deal with some more pressing issues.

So basically you had to get the French to fight for you. Then when you were actually a country, we raped you.
Dakoth

Sigh do you forget so soon?


Spoiler:

Devrin

ROFLWAFFLES.
SkywalkerAndVader

And this is on topic ----- how? XD
Lord Invictus

Devrin wrote:
Napolean and the U.S. let the British beat them.

Also, we pwned you guys in the Revolutionary War, where you guys had better everything.


Not really.

The British were overextended in the War of Independance, and the colonies' 'victory' was heavily reliant on French distractions and attacks. Its outcome isn't clearly definable in any case.

Napolean was a genius, yet, but he was crushed by the British and Russians.

SkywalkerAndVader wrote:
And this is on topic ----- how? XD


It's completely on-topic. Laughing


In summary, the US was utterly pathetic in comparison with Great Britain until the mid 20th century, when it became the greatest superpower in world history.

Today, the US is no longer as powerful (it's not even the richest nation on the planet anymore, simply the one that spends the most).
Devrin

I guarantee that the U.S. military could destroy the British military. But I guess we'll never see because we're allies.
Lord Vexen

Devrin wrote:
I guarantee that the U.S. military could destroy the British military. But I guess we'll never see because we're allies.


In a straight up fight, the US military could probably beat most nations excluding Russia, and maybe North Korea. I say North Korea because their army is alot larger than ours.
Devrin

Maybe their army could beat us, but our Air Force would dominate them.
Lord Embeion

North Korea would be a push over. Kill there leader and every soldier will send us a thank you card.
Dakoth

He's got a point, nobody is really all too invested in thier own manical tyrants.  Only problem is if we were to kill him, we'd have to go over to North Korea and nanny it around for oh, say 100 Years
Lord Vexen

Or we could have someone else kill their leader in 47 style...then we don't have to worry about it.
Lord Embeion

Charlie Sheen?

Dakoth

Holy crap Emby are you seeing what i'm seeing!? Charlie sheen is really just a noobtubing m16 spamming silencer abusing camper?!?!
Rive Caedo

Two interesting things occurred this week regarding this game:

1. Coruscant was announced as a playable planet.
2. Much more importantly - beta signups began!

http://www.swtor.com/news/news-article/20090929_001

The bad news is that you need to be 18. And, if my internal Rebels timeline is correct: many of our users are still 17 or 16.

Tip: If you have multiple computers, you might want to sign up and submit the system scan from your "strangest" one. If you have a custom-built computer, submit from that rather than your pre-built dell/hp - what have you. Besides gameplay bugs, they're also wanting to know how the game runs on a wide variety of hardware - so the rarer/weirder your hardware is - the higher the odds they'll want to have the game run on your machine.

Early testing almost always has a strict non-disclosure agreement to it, but hopefully if multiple Rebels users make it in, they'll be able to adventure through the buggy early-version of the Old Republic together Smile
Darth Acheron

That'd be pretty cool!

Hey, if this is an MMORPG you can have communities, right? We could all start a "Bakuran Jedi Order" community or something similar and use our names, could be pretty fun.
Dakoth

Aw man... I've gotta go order some RAM from vietnam or something..  I wanna be a Jedi Guild Leader!
Darth Samuel

Rive Caedo wrote:
Two interesting things occurred this week regarding this game:

1. Coruscant was announced as a playable planet.
2. Much more importantly - beta signups began!

http://www.swtor.com/news/news-article/20090929_001

The bad news is that you need to be 18. And, if my internal Rebels timeline is correct: many of our users are still 17 or 16.

Tip: If you have multiple computers, you might want to sign up and submit the system scan from your "strangest" one. If you have a custom-built computer, submit from that rather than your pre-built dell/hp - what have you. Besides gameplay bugs, they're also wanting to know how the game runs on a wide variety of hardware - so the rarer/weirder your hardware is - the higher the odds they'll want to have the game run on your machine.

Early testing almost always has a strict non-disclosure agreement to it, but hopefully if multiple Rebels users make it in, they'll be able to adventure through the buggy early-version of the Old Republic together Smile


I'm 15. I just lied about my age on the entry form.

Also, my computer has 1.97 GB of RAM according to the system scan...

Should I upgrade or no?
Rive Caedo

In interviews I believe they've said they want the game to be able to scale down pretty far to older systems (sort of like World of Warcraft does).

Since even a modern MMO that's not concerned with running on older systems like Age of Conan will run on 1GB of RAM (though 2 is recommended) - you're perfectly fine.

Even if you upgraded to 4 (or 3 I suppose), you'd probably be bottle-necked by your graphics card or CPU - so there'd be no gaming benefit.
Adenn

Agh, it's awfully hard to pick a good display name for this game. All the good Mando'a words are taken. Sad
Scion

Signed up, so we shall see where we go i guess.  I have a good feeling because I run a pretty good comp.  Actually, now that I think about it, that might make them skip over me, they probably want to see how it runs on crappy systems...

Just to add, but why the hell do I need Java?  I really don't want to install that on this PC, it took me 2 hours to install it on my other one...
Dakoth

Ok which one of you bums took Dakoth.  Out with it.
Darth Acheron

Ok I'll sign up, hopefully Xander Vos isn't stolen... if it is Korus Zhett it'll have to be.
Darth Acheron

Double post.

3.5 GB RAM hellz yea! Haha, my system is fairly fast so I dunno if they'll be interested in me, probably won't show any of the glitches.
Dakoth

Well, for once you've got your location goin for you then.  I imagine they can't have too many people from your area.
Darth Acheron

Really? That'd surprise me. I'm sure there are plenty of Australians/Sydneyites - whichever you were referring to - who would be keen to test the game.

Er, if I get selected though, will they check on my age?
Dakoth

Well when you signed up you had to put your age in, so I'm guessing they'll just go off of that.  I just hope I get in so I can prolong my infidelity to WoW
Darth Acheron

Hmm, hope so haha, otherwise that could get awkward...

Hopefully they won't want me for another month, because then I'll be free of the accursed HSC and school in general.
Rive Caedo

Scion wrote:
Just to add, but why the hell do I need Java?  I really don't want to install that on this PC, it took me 2 hours to install it on my other one...

They use it to run a scan of your computer's CPU, graphics card, and RAM (and audio card --- but those are usually less interesting Razz )
Scion

EH, must have been on there anyways, cuase the scan worked fine.
Dakoth

Yay does this mean scions gonna be my padawan?!
Scion

If anything, I'm rolling a Bounty Hunter, just because Jedi look like nothing special in this game.
Rive Caedo

Well if Bioware somehow manages to uphold their promise that each character class will have their own totally unique storyline for their leveling process, I suspect most people will end up rolling most/all of the classes sooner or later Smile

There's still 3 character classes to reveal (4, but I think we can safely assume that at least 1 of the 2 unrevealed Republic classes is Jedi-based), so maybe one of them will catch my fancy - but at present I'm thinking I'll go with a Smuggler first.
Darth Samuel

Have they revealed Jedi yet? I haven't seen anything on it.
Devrin

Rive Caedo wrote:
There's still 3 character classes to reveal (4, but I think we can safely assume that at least 1 of the 2 unrevealed Republic classes is Jedi-based)
Darth Samuel

I was going off of what scion was saying
Dakoth

I'll most definitely be rolling jedi, along with all the other fotm 12 year olds who no doubt rolled night elf hunters in a slightly different game.  But if my mmo-sense is right, Jedi will no doubt be overpowered, so thats the place to be.
Scion

Dakoth wrote:
I'll most definitely be rolling jedi, along with all the other fotm 12 year olds who no doubt rolled night elf hunters in a slightly different game.  But if my mmo-sense is right, Jedi will no doubt be overpowered, so thats the place to be.


Did you play the new Galaxies?  Jedi were some of the weakest characters.
Rive Caedo

Bioware is not Sony Razz

Presently - there's been almost zero talk of pvp anyway. So asking who will be "overpowered" seems to be moot.

There's little doubt that'll change (pvp will be talked about), but I'm just sayin'

Speculation is a bit tough right now. Jedi/Sith obviously have their nice defensive bonuses from blocking attacks, but Smugglers have been shown to have powerful stuns combos. Stun locks are potent in Warcraft, it's hard to say how powerful Bioware will make them.

The Bounty Hunter - so far - has appeared to be skilled at fighting 2-4 enemies at a time, but not so much 1 on 1.

We've received little information about the Trooper's play style.
Adenn

Now I'm torn between Bounty Hunter and Trooper. I can see what Dakoth is sort of saying, all the children are going to play as Jedi if they can get their hands on the game, so I might play the Dark Side. But...the trooper looks so...awesome...
Darth Acheron

Scion wrote:
If anything, I'm rolling a Bounty Hunter, just because Jedi look like nothing special in this game.


Yeah same, plus Korus Zhett has given me a taste for doing things from the wrong side of the tracks... or even doing them from somewhere other than the tracks altogether.
Dakoth

Rive raises a good point, smugglers sound like the new rogues.  Then again sony =/= bioware just as much as bioware =/= blizzard.

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