Mace Windu is better than Yoda, Obi-Wan.

Yodafueva me · Mace Windu is better than Yoda, Obi-Wan.

Watching ROTS for about the sixth time woke me up to something I previously hadn't noticed, Mace Windu. While many would make the argument that Windu is the best jedi fighter, how many would take Yoda or Obi-Wan? The answer is quite a few, from at least who I've talked to. My job is to convert as many of these people as I can to the Windu side.

Let's use brain-power people. For TPM and AOTC, we don't get that much of a look at Windu as a fighter. However, we get our chance in ROTS, and he shows us just what he's made of.

Think about it. Mace attempts to arrest Paps but he resists. Paps easily cuts down Seasee Tiin, Agen Kolar, and Kit Fisto, three powerful jedi, in a heartbeat. Then, he turns to Mace. They exchange blows and after a little bit, Mace has his Saber to Paps throat. He beat Palpatine, a sith lord. Remember, the only reason Mace died is because Anakin killed him. Really though, Mace beat him.

Towards the end of the film, we get our look at Yoda. Yoda fights with Palps and guess what? Palpatine beats him. I've heard the arugument that if Yoda had continued the fight, he could have won. However, this is almost invalid. Think, people, Yoda was essentially thrown by Palps to the bottom of the Senate buliding. He knew he had lost, so he left.

I've also heard the argument that Mace only one because he uses Vaapad. Again, I can't agree with this. Aren't we going to give power points to Mace for using such a form without turning to the dark side? I think we should. To end this, I don't know how many of you think Yoda is better than Mace. Does anybody? For all I know, I may be preaching to the wrong group, but regardless, I had to get this off my chest.

Reminder: Were measuring power, lightsaber ability here. not wisdom or anything else that makes a jedi.

Rive Caedo

The main factor you're excluding is the fact that Palpatine likely (or, at least, possibly) sensed Anakin's impending arrival and let Windu bat him down in the final moments.

Despite that, I really have no issue saying that Windu is more than likely a better swordsman than Yoda. Though I'm not sure if I'd be willing to say that places him as a better fighter overall, since Yoda's force abilities are stronger. It's really quite situational - Windu is likely better in a 1 on 1 situation, but Yoda is who you'd want on your side if you're facing an army.

Yodafueva me

Lord Vexen

Mace is better, no contest. My reason is Shatterpoint

shadowball2021

I always thought he was a great fighter; more so 1 on 1(look at his fight with Palpy then at Yoda's fight with same opponent). Yoda can over-power people with just the Force alone; as we all know. Mace, I feel is a better fighter, not to take anything away from Master Yoda; who is a great fighter in his own right.

Ga'nen

I would put them as equals, I think Mace's anger might have given him an edge but Yoda was still a powerful swordsman, especially for his age. And I want to say that Palpatine knew Anakin was coming so he threw the match to Mace to appear beaten. I want to say it goes more into depth about that in the novelization, so whoever has read that might have more insight.

Lord Embeion

Darth Samuel

thank you embeion. Kit Fisto took down an entire droid army on Mon Calamari. 5 seconds with Palpy, and sliced down. No-No

Ga'nen

That was one of my "wtf" moments in RotS, because come on! Really? Could Palpatine really have taken down three Jedi Masters with simple sword moves? That just didn't seem real to me but whatever, in my head Palpatine couldn't have taken out those jedi masters that fast. Perhaps if they had let him fight all four of them at once and killed them then it would have been much more of a testament to his true skills.

shadowball2021

Lord Invictus

I agree. Indeed, I was angry.... c'mon! KIT FISTO RULES! He's like a starwars Davy Jones-Draenei person... who can breathe underwater, plus he did win the battle of Mon Calamari with relative ease. Palpatine was, undoubtedly, able to defeat those first three Jedi, but with that speed? Pfft.

I've always though Mace was a better swordsman than Yoda, but a better fighter is disputable. I really can't say who's better. It'd ultimately come down to writing a fanfic about their fake duels.... Anyway, Yoda is stronger in the force soooo... Hard to say.

Rive Caedo

I think it really comes down to the surprise factor. Mace was the only one in the room who really believe Anakin may have been telling the truth - the other 3 just came because Mace asked them. The other 3 had been taking missions from the frail old supreme chancellor for years. Seeing him fly across the room did not compute in their heads Razz

Lord Embeion

But there still Jedi Masters there minds and bodies are forged for combat. They should instinctively parry.

But in the movie Obi-wan says something along the lines of Windu's swordsmen ship and Yoda's wisdom or something to Anakin. IDK been awhile since I've seen the movie.

Darth Samuel

even with an element of surprise, it shouldn't have happened that quickly. yes, in the end Kit Fisto probably would have been beaten, but it would have taken much longer.

Rive Caedo

Lord Embeion

I thought there was another one that was about both Windu and Yoda.. I'm pretty sure there is.. Might even be about Obi-wan. IDK I gotta watch the movies again

Rive Caedo

Oh, ABOUT Obi-Wan. Now I know what you're referring to.

"Obi-Wan is a great mentor. He's as wise as Master Yoda and as powerful as Master Windu. I am truly thankful to be his apprentice. Although, in some ways - a lot of ways - I'm really ahead of him."

But because of the other line, it's clear the Anakin underestimates Yoda's power at the point in time he says this.

Tom

"Hes as wise as Master yoda and as powerful as Master Windu"

Dosent Anakin say that about Obi-Wan?

Jiub

Yes, in the Clone wars when he is talking with Padme.

Xander Vos

Was actually Attack of the Clones I think.