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ghostjedi17

Grey jedi Hq section.

there has been a thread made by me about a grey hq section. alsop grey promos. I will post it here to see if we can make it a reallity. now you may be asking make another forum but name 5 greys here. besides we would et side tracked from this one with another forum. so vote.
Dakoth

Sadly it will never happen. There are not enough greys to warrant it, and the only ranking system here will be for the Jedi. However there is a grey Jedi forum out there, ask Jaden about it if its still around.
The Chosen One

Like Dakoth said, there simply isn't enough Grey Jedi to warrant this change. I am still in favor of it regardless, though.

And essentially Grey Jedi are Jedi, just those who do not hold the entire code to heart.

Imo Grey Jedi should have the same access to the council as Master rank. View it, and allowed to post in it, but that's all as they are still part of the order.

However, that's a completely different topic.
ghostjedi17

there may be a shortage but there is a reason. Grey jedi are essentually jedi so should at least have a jedi temple or jedi cousel sort of thing.
Jaden Nightsaber

As for the old forum that was for Grey Jedi: It was shut down some time ago. Feel free to create a new one but with so few members I don't think there will be much to do with Greys here any time soon.
Butler_Swan

I'm in support of the idea, but you may need to recruit more greys...that may be easier if you have a mini-rank-system in place, kinda like ours but not really.
ghostjedi17

1: I don't know how to make a fourm

2nd: I know there is a small amount but more can come on.
Butler_Swan

I don't mean like a forum forum...and it's easy, I could do it in a few minutes but anyways, I was thinking of something like this:

Grey Jedi

Grey Master

Grey Hermit

Grey Senile Obi-wan Laughing

No but really, something like that...just on this forum like a mini rank system
Lord Vexen

Grey Senile Jolee is more like it.
Butler_Swan

Maybe...never really seen him in the videogame before cause i've never played
Lord Vexen

I vote milk
Butler_Swan

What is that supposed to mean?
Lord Vexen

It was a pole option. I like milk. So I voted for it.
Kisuk Kolar

As I said before in another topic, it would be better if it was Jensaarai instead of Grey Jedi because there is not technically a Grey Jedi Order or Grey Jedi location. Grey Jedi are simply Jedi who do not fully believe in the Jedi teachings, disobay the Council, use both light and dark sided powers, or leave the Jedi Order but do not fall to the Dark Side.

The Jensaarai are a force using organization that teaches both Sith and Jedi teachings and does not restrict to both extremes of the force. They believe in peace of the galaxy like the Jedi but are willing to do anything to complete it like the Sith. Their teachings don't restrict emotions or limit things to the dark side or the light side.
Lord Embeion

The Order idea is great...but the simple fact that there are like what only 2 or 3 Grey Jedi around. Recruiting newcomers is harder then it sounds to...and if you were to create a new forum for it...with like 5people it won't be up long. Or if you make sections here on this forum for them..still those few sections would be empty almost.
Rive Caedo

I voted milk because there just aren't enough Grey Jedi members to warrant it Confused

Although I've often tried to get a "Kyle Katarn And Pals!" section, I'm voted down by other members of the council Wink
Lord Embeion

Rive Caedo wrote:
I voted milk because there just aren't enough Grey Jedi members to warrant it Confused


agreed

and this is why we love Rive

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"Kyle Katarn And Pals!" section
Scion

The Old grey Forum died because of unpopularity. Katarn and Pals sounds like a great idea, so does the Jensaaria or w/e but I would not like to type that at all. Grey is easier.

I would like to have subranks for every class, because then there would be more than just Jedi on this site.
ghostjedi17

FYI every milk vote counts to yes. j/k but it counts as maybe.

reguardless sith have there own mini ranking system on our site. just cause there are a few dosn't mean we can't have ranks or a mini jedi section.
Xander Vos

ghostjedi17 wrote:
FYI every milk vote counts to yes. j/k but it counts as maybe.

reguardless sith have there own mini ranking system on our site. just cause there are a few dosn't mean we can't have ranks or a mini jedi section.


A few? There's already about ten, with more to come.

For grey Jedi, there's only ever going to be about 2 or 3.
Lord Embeion

Xander Vos wrote:
ghostjedi17 wrote:
FYI every milk vote counts to yes. j/k but it counts as maybe.

reguardless sith have there own mini ranking system on our site. just cause there are a few dosn't mean we can't have ranks or a mini jedi section.


A few? There's already about ten, with more to come.

For grey Jedi, there's only ever going to be about 2 or 3.


Yea Sith aren't a mini order. The ranks Rive made are just temporary
The Chosen One

Xander Vos wrote:
For grey Jedi, there's only ever going to be about 2 or 3.


Actually, that's just speculation.

If there was a Grey mini-ranking system, we might get more of them.
Butler_Swan

That's actually quite true
Lord Lanik

Go Milk.....And it MIGHT work
Xander Vos

The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
For grey Jedi, there's only ever going to be about 2 or 3.


Actually, that's just speculation.

If there was a Grey mini-ranking system, we might get more of them.


I guess... and there were a few along the way who kind of dropped out quietly... I'm neutral on this.
ghostjedi17

stupid milk
ghostjedi17

and so voteing closes. I was meaning to close it tommorow but my mom wouldn't let me get on only for slit seconds. the results are clear. commence the order!!!!!!
Rive Caedo

How many Grey Jedi do we have running around? If there were say... 4, I suppose I'd vouch for a mini-order with 3 ranks (Grey Adept, Grey Jedi, Grey Jedi Master) and their own hidden forum section just like the Sith and Jedi just received.
ghostjedi17

there is. me scion shadow eclipse and 2 other guys i forget the name of. also ethan is comeing back and he will be a grey like me. he's just in lousinana right now. we won!!!!!
Xander Vos

the "2 other guys" aren't active and haven't been on in months.
Adien Storm

YES YES YES i think so to oh and greyjedi theres a grey jedi forum at GOTF for your info
Xander Vos

That's fine. That's GoTF, they have absolutely nothing to do with us.
Adien Storm

Wake up on the wrong side of the bed Xander? So what if they got nothing to do with you im still going to bring my charter to this one i have over here and will spread the word of the grey jedi
Xander Vos

Tanya wrote:
Wake up on the wrong side of the bed Xander? So what if they got nothing to do with you im still going to bring my charter to this one i have over here and will spread the word of the grey jedi


No, I'm perfectly fine. Confused I didn't realise stating the fact that we have no ties to GotF was an indication that I'm grumpy... :/

Charter? That last bit of your post made very little sense. All I got from it was "So what if they have nothing to do with you? I'm still going to bring my charter to this one" and then some nonsense... Please learn to use this lovely language we call English properly if you want me to take your posts seriously.
Adien Storm

Xander Vos wrote:
Tanya wrote:
Wake up on the wrong side of the bed Xander? So what if they got nothing to do with you im still going to bring my charter to this one i have over here and will spread the word of the grey jedi


No, I'm perfectly fine. Confused I didn't realise stating the fact that we have no ties to GotF was an indication that I'm grumpy... :/

Charter? That last bit of your post made very little sense. All I got from it was "So what if they have nothing to do with you? I'm still going to bring my charter to this one" and then some nonsense... Please learn to use this lovely language we call English properly if you want me to take your posts seriously.


Enlish some one needs to follow there own advice
Xander Vos

Oh, snap, I've never heard that one before. Rolling Eyes

Its called a typo. It is extremely cold where I live as I'm in the middle of WINTER. Numb fingers lead to making typing harder, meaning that I can think I've pressed a key enough for it to recognise that I have, but I actually haven't.

There's a difference between missing out a G and using chat speak in a place it most certainly isn't needed.

"Enlish"

"hey u, wat r u up 2?"

Slight difference. Wink
The Chosen One

Xander Vos wrote:
Its called a typo. It is extremely cold where I live as I'm in the middle of WINTER. Numb fingers lead to making typing harder, meaning that I can think I've pressed a key enough for it to recognise that I have, but I actually haven't.


Lol, Winter?

And what Tanya said made sense.

Feel free to bring plenty of grey jedi to this board by the way. The whole reason this idea got shot down in the first place was because there aren't enough.

However, I still think that giving Grey Jedi an entirely new section is unnecessary. Just give them a mini-ranking system. The Grey Masters will be able to view and post in the Jedi Council just like the current Jedi Master rank. Afterall, Grey Jedi were still apart of the order, there methods were just looked down upon.
Xander Vos

The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
Its called a typo. It is extremely cold where I live as I'm in the middle of WINTER. Numb fingers lead to making typing harder, meaning that I can think I've pressed a key enough for it to recognise that I have, but I actually haven't.


Lol, Winter?


Yes... What's so funny? Confused

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And what Tanya said made sense.


Oh, I understood it, but I didn't understand it, if you know what I mean. Like, it made sense in terms of English, but it didn't really make sense in any other way.

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Feel free to bring plenty of grey jedi to this board by the way. The whole reason this idea got shot down in the first place was because there aren't enough.


Exactly.

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However, I still think that giving Grey Jedi an entirely new section is unnecessary. Just give them a mini-ranking system. The Grey Masters will be able to view and post in the Jedi Council just like the current Jedi Master rank. Afterall, Grey Jedi were still apart of the order, there methods were just looked down upon.


Exactly.
Butler_Swan

Xander Vos wrote:
The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
Its called a typo. It is extremely cold where I live as I'm in the middle of WINTER. Numb fingers lead to making typing harder, meaning that I can think I've pressed a key enough for it to recognise that I have, but I actually haven't.


Lol, Winter?


Yes... What's so funny? Confused


Probably has someting to do with the fact that it's still hard to get used to the fact that when it's summer here...like 110 degrees F, it's winter down there...
ghostjedi17

so yes grey order. commence admins. the color grey!!!!!!
Scion

Ghostjedi, you are getting a little obsessive here...
Devrin

I second that.
Rive Caedo



Hm...
The Chosen One

Xander Vos wrote:
Yes... What's so funny? Confused


For a second, I forgot you live in Australia.

Xander Vos wrote:
Oh, I understood it, but I didn't understand it, if you know what I mean.


Lol?....Not quite sure I understand that.

Rive Caedo wrote:


Hm...


Looks sexy.

I take it Jolee Bindo, Kyle Katarn, and Qui-Gon Jinn will fit somewhere in there?
Lyn Korak

Butler_Swan wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
Its called a typo. It is extremely cold where I live as I'm in the middle of WINTER. Numb fingers lead to making typing harder, meaning that I can think I've pressed a key enough for it to recognise that I have, but I actually haven't.


Lol, Winter?


Yes... What's so funny? Confused


Probably has someting to do with the fact that it's still hard to get used to the fact that when it's summer here...like 110 degrees F, it's winter down there...


Winter here as well. Only cold in the morning, unless that's what Alex posted it.
Xander Vos

The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
Yes... What's so funny? Confused


For a second, I forgot you live in Australia.


TCO = N00bzcake!

The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
Oh, I understood it, but I didn't understand it, if you know what I mean.


Lol?....Not quite sure I understand that.


Like, it made sense in terms of, I could read the words and understand what they meant, but in that sequence they made no sense, and I didn't understand what she meant.

The Chosen One wrote:
Rive Caedo wrote:


Hm...


Looks sexy.

I take it Jolee Bindo, Kyle Katarn, and Qui-Gon Jinn will fit somewhere in there?


Jolee was in self-imposed exile, and Qui-Gon just had radical views. Neither were Grey Jedi.

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Winter here as well. Only cold in the morning, unless that's what Alex posted it.


A) Its cold here pretty much all day.
B) I did indeed.
The Chosen One

Xander Vos wrote:
Jolee was in self-imposed exile, and Qui-Gon just had radical views. Neither were Grey Jedi.


http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Grey_Jedi
Xander Vos

I highly disagree with how they have classified Grey Jedi. Grey Jedi were individuals who went about solving issues their own way, without the direction of the Council.

And yet Qui-Gon lived at the Temple, trained two Jedi Apprentices, and reported to the Council and did their bidding. Bindo went into exile where he remained. Reminds me of a little green friend of ours. Does that mean Yoda was a Grey Jedi? The Exile is probably the only one on their I agree with.

I have to say, I doubt a list that doesn't include Kyle Katarn, who was the original Grey Jedi...
The Chosen One

Xander Vos wrote:
I highly disagree with how they have classified Grey Jedi. Grey Jedi were individuals who went about solving issues their own way, without the direction of the Council.


Which is how they classify them.

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Gray Jedi was a term, sometimes used pejoratively, that described Jedi who were thought to operate independently and often outside the strictures of the High Council.


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Most Gray Jedi had a tense relationship with the Council; while, for most intents and purposes, they were loyal members of the Jedi Order, their maverick natures often put them into conflict with it, especially against more conservative members of the Council.


Xander Vos wrote:
]And yet Qui-Gon lived at the Temple, trained two Jedi Apprentices, and reported to the Council and did their bidding.


Grey Jedi are still apart of the Jedi Order, so I don't understand where you're going with this. Kyle Katarn trained apprentices at Luke's new academy, was he any less of a Grey Jedi?

Xander Vos wrote:
Bindo went into exile where he remained. Reminds me of a little green friend of ours. Does that mean Yoda was a Grey Jedi?


Yoda was forced into exile, Jolee wasn't. There is a difference.
Xander Vos

The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
I highly disagree with how they have classified Grey Jedi. Grey Jedi were individuals who went about solving issues their own way, without the direction of the Council.


Which is how they classify them.

Quote:
Gray Jedi was a term, sometimes used pejoratively, that described Jedi who were thought to operate independently and often outside the strictures of the High Council.


Quote:
Most Gray Jedi had a tense relationship with the Council; while, for most intents and purposes, they were loyal members of the Jedi Order, their maverick natures often put them into conflict with it, especially against more conservative members of the Council.


And yet, as I went on to say, Qui-Gon was included on the list.

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Xander Vos wrote:
And yet Qui-Gon lived at the Temple, trained two Jedi Apprentices, and reported to the Council and did their bidding.


Grey Jedi are still apart of the Jedi Order, so I don't understand where you're going with this. Kyle Katarn trained apprentices at Luke's new academy, was he any less of a Grey Jedi?


No they weren't! You just established above that Grey's were SEPERATE from the Order. That they did things their way! When Kyle gave up his idealology of a Grey Jedi, and became a member of the Jedi Order, he trained Apprentices, yes, and even sat on the Council. Something a Grey Jedi by your own definition would be unable to do.

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Xander Vos wrote:
Bindo went into exile where he remained. Reminds me of a little green friend of ours. Does that mean Yoda was a Grey Jedi?


Yoda was forced into exile, Jolee wasn't. There is a difference.


Not really. Yoda chose to exile himself for his failures, Jolee chose to exile himself rather than face the oppresive nature of the Order in result of his marriage. Its really a one way trip to hair-splitting town if you want to go there. Wink

I notice you didn't comment on my final comment "I have to say, I doubt a list that doesn't include Kyle Katarn, who was the original Grey Jedi..." Wink When the Databank itself doesn't deem Qui-Gon, the Exile, or Jolee Grey Jedi, but Wookieepedia does, I'd tend to go with the Officials on this. Razz
ghostjedi17

Bindo quit the jedi and whent into exile. yoda didn't

Jolee Bindo—married a fellow Jedi against the Order's Code; later placed in self-exile on Kashyyyk. Often said that he never left the Order, but the Order left him.
Sigel Dare
Antares Draco
Marasiah Fel
Roan Fel
Jedi Exile—one of the most well-known Gray Jedi, banished from the Order for participating in the Mandalorian Wars (notably the Malachor V incident).
Kreia—later became a Sith Lord, often blamed for Revan's corruption
Ganner Krieg
Elke Vetter
Vergere
Zao
Qui-Gon Jinn
Dark Woman

engoh for yas?
Xander Vos

Yes, thank you GJ, that is the list we were talking about. Notice anything strance about it? *gasp* Where's Kyle? That list is a bunch of rubbish.
Rive Caedo

Yes, it is odd that no one has put Kyle on that list. Although it could be argued that Kyle is no longer a Grey Jedi by the Legacy era.

In any case, Kyle and Jolee fit the bill the best (besides the Exile, which we couldn't use since there's no defined image for him/her), they'd fill the Knight and Master levels above Adept's simple Lightsaber image.

Only if there was a great influx of Grey Jedi members would we move it into a full established order such as the Sith.

A 3 rank mini-order should be no problem though. I'll start pushing for it on July 1st, after the Sith Order has been fully established.
ghostjedi17

Hippo the crat wrote:
Notice anything strance about it?


nope nothing strance. but reguarless the polls speak for themselfs... or others whatever
SkywalkerAndVader

I'd personally have to say no, for now. There are only like...4 or 5 grey jedi on the forum, and only 2 or 3 really active ones for that matter. I just think something like that wouldn't be necessary right now. If more members register grey, I could easily see it happening later, but right now, no.
ghostjedi17

i closed voteing SaV. can you close it for me?
The Chosen One

Xander Vos wrote:
And yet, as I went on to say, Qui-Gon was included on the list.


Not quite sure I even understand this rebuttal. You're agreeing with me.

Xander Vos wrote:
No they weren't! You just established above that Grey's were SEPERATE from the Order. That they did things their way!


Wha?

Quote:
Most Gray Jedi had a tense relationship with the Council; while, for most intents and purposes, they were loyal members of the Jedi Order, their maverick natures often put them into conflict with it, especially against more conservative members of the Council.


They may have did things their own way, but that doesn't mean they were seperate from the order entirely, nor did I say as much.

Xander Vos wrote:
When Kyle gave up his idealology of a Grey Jedi, and became a member of the Jedi Order, he trained Apprentices, yes, and even sat on the Council. Something a Grey Jedi by your own definition would be unable to do.


Kyle never really gave up the idealology of Grey Jedi AFAIK:

Jedi Outcast wrote:
"I'm no Jedi; I'm just a guy with a lightsaber and a few questions."

"Why can't you Jedi just do things the simple way?"


Jedi Academy wrote:
"Remember: powers are not inherently good or evil, it's how you use them."


And in the Old Republic I'd agree that being on the council would probably be an impossibility. However, Luke was more open in his new academy, as evident with allowing marriage and the like.

Xander Vos wrote:
Not really. Yoda chose to exile himself for his failures, Jolee chose to exile himself rather than face the oppresive nature of the Order in result of his marriage. Its really a one way trip to hair-splitting town if you want to go there. Wink


Yoda didn't have a choice. Like Obi-Wan, they were forced into exile to bide their time for the right moment to reemerge. If they didn't, they would have surely been hunted down/found and killed by the Empire.

Xander Vos wrote:
I notice you didn't comment on my final comment "I have to say, I doubt a list that doesn't include Kyle Katarn, who was the original Grey Jedi..." Wink When the Databank itself doesn't deem Qui-Gon, the Exile, or Jolee Grey Jedi, but Wookieepedia does, I'd tend to go with the Officials on this. Razz


Like the page on wookieepedia said, it has had recent vandalism. Were it not for that, I would have put Kyle on the list, which I doubt would be removed. Wookieepedia also isn't perfect, they are missing plenty of jedi in their Light Side category.

Also the Databank you're going on about doesn't classify Kyle as a grey jedi either. It also says he still flies the Moldy Crow, and wields a green lightsaber, both of which are untrue up until this point in canon. So I don't see your point with this, when it is a contradiction to your argument.

Rive Caedo wrote:
A 3 rank mini-order should be no problem though. I'll start pushing for it on July 1st, after the Sith Order has been fully established.


If it does push through, I'll be the first jedi to switch over. Wink
Xander Vos

The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
And yet, as I went on to say, Qui-Gon was included on the list.


Not quite sure I even understand this rebuttal. You're agreeing with me.

Xander Vos wrote:
No they weren't! You just established above that Grey's were SEPERATE from the Order. That they did things their way!


Wha?

Quote:
Most Gray Jedi had a tense relationship with the Council; while, for most intents and purposes, they were loyal members of the Jedi Order, their maverick natures often put them into conflict with it, especially against more conservative members of the Council.


Musn't have had my reading eyes in then.

The Chosen One wrote:
They may have did things their own way, but that doesn't mean they were seperate from the order entirely, nor did I say as much.


But it was certainly implied. Grey Jedi would usually go about things their own way, perhaps dabbling with the DS. The Order would have exiled them quite some time ago if that were the case.

The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
When Kyle gave up his idealology of a Grey Jedi, and became a member of the Jedi Order, he trained Apprentices, yes, and even sat on the Council. Something a Grey Jedi by your own definition would be unable to do.


Kyle never really gave up the idealology of Grey Jedi AFAIK:

Jedi Outcast wrote:
"I'm no Jedi; I'm just a guy with a lightsaber and a few questions."

"Why can't you Jedi just do things the simple way?"


Jedi Academy wrote:
"Remember: powers are not inherently good or evil, it's how you use them."


And yet he's not considered a Grey Jedi by that list that you hold so holy. Razz To quote my own honourable source that I hold so holy:

Rive Caedo wrote:
Yes, it is odd that no one has put Kyle on that list. Although it could be argued that Kyle is no longer a Grey Jedi by the Legacy era.


The Chosen One wrote:
And in the Old Republic I'd agree that being on the council would probably be an impossibility. However, Luke was more open in his new academy, as evident with allowing marriage and the like.


He allowed marriage, that was it. He didn't allow flirtations with the Dark Side, and Jedi that dabbled were pulled strictly to heel in fear of another Vader. He would certainly not have allowed a Grey Jedi who would be a little freer with their power to sit on the Council and pass up a hard working Jedi.

The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
Not really. Yoda chose to exile himself for his failures, Jolee chose to exile himself rather than face the oppresive nature of the Order in result of his marriage. Its really a one way trip to hair-splitting town if you want to go there. Wink


Yoda didn't have a choice. Like Obi-Wan, they were forced into exile to bide their time for the right moment to reemerge. If they didn't, they would have surely been hunted down/found and killed by the Empire.


Obi-Wan didn't stay in exile though, did he. Wink He helped Ferus for a stint, and protected Luke against a few dangers. Yoda could have gone to Alderaan and looked after Leia. He could have gone with Kenobi and worked out a Jedi masterplan together. He didn't, though.

The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
I notice you didn't comment on my final comment "I have to say, I doubt a list that doesn't include Kyle Katarn, who was the original Grey Jedi..." Wink When the Databank itself doesn't deem Qui-Gon, the Exile, or Jolee Grey Jedi, but Wookieepedia does, I'd tend to go with the Officials on this. Razz


Like the page on wookieepedia said, it has had recent vandalism. Were it not for that, I would have put Kyle on the list, which I doubt would be removed. Wookieepedia also isn't perfect, they are missing plenty of jedi in their Light Side category.


So the source you are using as proof of who are Grey's and who aren't isn't perfect...? Is it entirely reliable then?

The Chosen One wrote:
Also the Databank you're going on about doesn't classify Kyle as a grey jedi either. It also says he still flies the Moldy Crow, and wields a green lightsaber, both of which are untrue up until this point in canon. So I don't see your point with this, when it is a contradiction to your argument.


The Databank doesn't say Qui-Gon or Jolee are Greys either, now does it? Whilst its not up to date on Kyle, it goes up to the end of Jinn's life, and never mentions him being a Grey.

The Chosen One wrote:
Rive Caedo wrote:
A 3 rank mini-order should be no problem though. I'll start pushing for it on July 1st, after the Sith Order has been fully established.


If it does push through, I'll be the first jedi to switch over. Wink


Zomg! Ur about to be put on the Council d00d!! Don't do it man!
ghostjedi17

do it do it do it!!! i mean... yumums.
Scion

this is directed at Xander, but on the cover of one of the swarm war books, Luke is using Force Lightning...
Xander Vos

During the one time when the Jedi Order honestly believed there was no Dark Side.
The Chosen One

Xander Vos wrote:
But it was certainly implied. Grey Jedi would usually go about things their own way, perhaps dabbling with the DS. The Order would have exiled them quite some time ago if that were the case.


The Order didn't exile Jolee or Qui-Gon, who for most intents and purposes, went against the council on numerous occasions. Even had their own brushes with the darkside.

No one in the Order ever got exiled because they had touched the dark side AFAIK anyway.

Xander Vos wrote:
And yet he's not considered a Grey Jedi by that list that you hold so holy. Razz To quote my own honourable source that I hold so holy:


Like I said, that page has had recent vandalism. No editing will be done in quite some time probably. Were it not for that, I would have put him on the list.

Also, those list's are examples. They don't name everyone as evident with the list of Light Side users.

Xander Vos wrote:
He allowed marriage, that was it. He didn't allow flirtations with the Dark Side, and Jedi that dabbled were pulled strictly to heel in fear of another Vader. He would certainly not have allowed a Grey Jedi who would be a little freer with their power to sit on the Council and pass up a hard working Jedi.


Of course allowing "flirtations" with the dark side would be a no no. However, all I need to point out was a jedi named Kyp Durron to refute that point. Also, you say that he would certainly not allow a grey jedi to sit on the council, yet Kyle Katarn is.

Xander Vos wrote:
Obi-Wan didn't stay in exile though, did he. Wink He helped Ferus for a stint, and protected Luke against a few dangers.


A necessity would undoubtedly have brought him/them out of exile. You can't have a plan for something, if it doesn't have a future.

Xander Vos wrote:
Yoda could have gone to Alderaan and looked after Leia.


Tatooine was more desolate, Alderaan was not. Obi-Wan looked out for the dangers of Luke, Bail Organa and probably plenty of royal secruity forces did the same for Leia. It would be much more harder for Yoda to keep a low profile on Alderaan than Obi-Wan would have on Tatooine.

Also, you have to look at it this way; they chose spots that were ideal to staying low. Obi-Wan with Tatooine as Vader wouldn't want Anakin to resurface, and Yoda with Dagobah which was "writhing with the Living Force," and was deleted from several archives. Add on the fact that he made his dwelling near the cave where he had slain the Bpfasshi Dark Jedi, which further negated his light side presence.

Xander Vos wrote:
He could have gone with Kenobi and worked out a Jedi masterplan together. He didn't, though.


I'm pretty sure they had a master plan already. Hence why Luke was sent to Dagobah by Obi-Wan to learn in the ways of the force.

Xander Vos wrote:
So the source you are using as proof of who are Grey's and who aren't isn't perfect...? Is it entirely reliable then?


And nothing ever is perfect. Hence my later statement saying the databank is plenty wrong in their Kyle Katarn article.

Xander Vos wrote:
The Databank doesn't say Qui-Gon or Jolee are Greys either, now does it? Whilst its not up to date on Kyle, it goes up to the end of Jinn's life, and never mentions him being a Grey.


And Grey Jedi are not even listed in the databank. Dark Jedi are essentially listed as Sith. Plenty of things are absent from the databank as well.

"So the source you are using as proof of who aren't Grey's and who are isn't perfect...? Is it entirely reliable then?"
Xander Vos

The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
But it was certainly implied. Grey Jedi would usually go about things their own way, perhaps dabbling with the DS. The Order would have exiled them quite some time ago if that were the case.


The Order didn't exile Jolee or Qui-Gon, who for most intents and purposes, went against the council on numerous occasions. Even had their own brushes with the darkside.

No one in the Order ever got exiled because they had touched the dark side AFAIK anyway.


Jolee did for going against the Council... Or at least, that's what you claiming as the difference between his exile and Yoda's.

The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
And yet he's not considered a Grey Jedi by that list that you hold so holy. Razz To quote my own honourable source that I hold so holy:


Like I said, that page has had recent vandalism. No editing will be done in quite some time probably. Were it not for that, I would have put him on the list.

Also, those list's are examples. They don't name everyone as evident with the list of Light Side users.


Kyle should have been the first on and the last off, as he was the only real Grey Jedi on that list. He was the person that INVENTED the Grey Jedi.

The Grey list seems to include every single possible Grey member except Katarn. Wink

The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
He allowed marriage, that was it. He didn't allow flirtations with the Dark Side, and Jedi that dabbled were pulled strictly to heel in fear of another Vader. He would certainly not have allowed a Grey Jedi who would be a little freer with their power to sit on the Council and pass up a hard working Jedi.


Of course allowing "flirtations" with the dark side would be a no no. However, all I need to point out was a jedi named Kyp Durron to refute that point. Also, you say that he would certainly not allow a grey jedi to sit on the council, yet Kyle Katarn is.


As I said
Quote:
Jedi that dabbled were pulled strictly to heel in fear of another Vader
Kyp was pulled to heel, and over the years regained the trust of the Order.

And as I said, by that time he wasn't a Grey Jedi anymore... I made that point when you pointed out that Katarn trained Apprentices. By that time he had given up his Grey viewpoint and had adopted the Jedi way.

The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
Obi-Wan didn't stay in exile though, did he. Wink He helped Ferus for a stint, and protected Luke against a few dangers.


A necessity would undoubtedly have brought him/them out of exile. You can't have a plan for something, if it doesn't have a future.


Helping Ferus had no relation to keeping Luke alive.

The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
Yoda could have gone to Alderaan and looked after Leia.


Tatooine was more desolate, Alderaan was not. Obi-Wan looked out for the dangers of Luke, Bail Organa and probably plenty of royal secruity forces did the same for Leia. It would be much more harder for Yoda to keep a low profile on Alderaan than Obi-Wan would have on Tatooine.


In anticipation of that point of yours, read my next suggestion of where Yoda could have gone. Wink

The Chosen One wrote:
Also, you have to look at it this way; they chose spots that were ideal to staying low. Obi-Wan with Tatooine as Vader wouldn't want Anakin to resurface, and Yoda with Dagobah which was "writhing with the Living Force," and was deleted from several archives. Add on the fact that he made his dwelling near the cave where he had slain the Bpfasshi Dark Jedi, which further negated his light side presence.


But the smell should have been enough for him to chose another world.

The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
He could have gone with Kenobi and worked out a Jedi masterplan together. He didn't, though.


I'm pretty sure they had a master plan already. Hence why Luke was sent to Dagobah by Obi-Wan to learn in the ways of the force.


Which only got decided when Obi-Wan was UNEXPECTEDLY killed by Vader aboard a moon-sized battle station.

By Masterplan I mean working together, gathering Jedi, sending them out to sabotage the Empire, etc.

The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
So the source you are using as proof of who are Grey's and who aren't isn't perfect...? Is it entirely reliable then?


And nothing ever is perfect. Hence my later statement saying the databank is plenty wrong in their Kyle Katarn article.


Which it isn't, just not complete. And there is a difference. Wink

The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
The Databank doesn't say Qui-Gon or Jolee are Greys either, now does it? Whilst its not up to date on Kyle, it goes up to the end of Jinn's life, and never mentions him being a Grey.


And Grey Jedi are not even listed in the databank. Dark Jedi are essentially listed as Sith. Plenty of things are absent from the databank as well.

"So the source you are using as proof of who aren't Grey's and who are isn't perfect...? Is it entirely reliable then?"


Certainly is, as its written by the people who write the books and who decide these things. Wookieepedia is a fan made creation. Wink
The Chosen One

Xander Vos wrote:
Jolee did for going against the Council... Or at least, that's what you claiming as the difference between his exile and Yoda's.


It said he had lost faith in the council, and his ship later crash landed on Kashyyyk. So it was a self-imposed exile. The council did not directly interfere with his choice to do so.

Xander Vos wrote:
Kyle should have been the first on and the last off, as he was the only real Grey Jedi on that list. He was the person that INVENTED the Grey Jedi.


When that page does allow editing, I'll be the first to put Kyle on the list. And this argument you're trying to pose directly contradicts with your Databank point you keep trying to bring up. Grey Jedi isn't even something listed on the Star Wars site, yet we all know they exist.

Xander Vos wrote:
And as I said, by that time he wasn't a Grey Jedi anymore... I made that point when you pointed out that Katarn trained Apprentices. By that time he had given up his Grey viewpoint and had adopted the Jedi way.


But you fail to understand that he was still a Grey Jedi. Play Jedi Academy SP, or just look at the quotes I brought up. He most definitely kept his grey viewpoint about things when teaching his students.

Xander Vos wrote:
Helping Ferus had no relation to keeping Luke alive.


From the way it was, it seemed like that was a necessity in Obi-Wan's training of the whills. Basically to dumb it down, Qui-Gon wouldn't teach him. He went to help Ferus, and later returned to Tatooine to which Qui-Gon agreed to teach him.

Xander Vos wrote:
Which only got decided when Obi-Wan was UNEXPECTEDLY killed by Vader aboard a moon-sized battle station.


You don't get "unexpectedly" killed when purposely lowering your defenses to your enemy.

Xander Vos wrote:
By Masterplan I mean working together, gathering Jedi, sending them out to sabotage the Empire, etc.


Now you're just going on "shoulda, woulda, coulda." Their plan worked fine enough how it was schemed.

Xander Vos wrote:
Which it isn't, just not complete. And there is a difference. Wink


No, it's complete, just not updated to recent canon events. Which essentially means, that isn't the greatest of sources to go by since it is outdated.

Xander Vos wrote:
Certainly is, as its written by the people who write the books and who decide these things. Wookieepedia is a fan made creation. Wink


"Wookieepedia is a fan made creation" on the people "who write the books and who decide these things."

I seem to remember someone arguing Wookieepedia's is a solid source not too long ago. Meh.
Zsaber

i say yes

one of the major reasons no one goes gray, is the fact that they dont know that they can on this form, with only 4 or 5 grays around. i recently turned gray because i did not know i could do it from the beginning.

If someone could change the rules to include a list of available choices such as Sith, Jedi, Gray Jedi, Etc... then i think there will be many more gray jedi coming in.
Butler_Swan

Uhg...I don't like these really long debates...just wondering, would TCO or Xander happen to be in a debate club? Anyways, I thought I'd just throw my opinion out there that I believe that while having a Grey Jedi Order would bring in more members, It may also cause a huge clutter and a lot of green sabers...
ghostjedi17

necto dosn't have a green lightsaber....
Xander Vos

The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
Jolee did for going against the Council... Or at least, that's what you claiming as the difference between his exile and Yoda's.


It said he had lost faith in the council, and his ship later crash landed on Kashyyyk. So it was a self-imposed exile. The council did not directly interfere with his choice to do so.

Xander Vos wrote:
Kyle should have been the first on and the last off, as he was the only real Grey Jedi on that list. He was the person that INVENTED the Grey Jedi.


When that page does allow editing, I'll be the first to put Kyle on the list. And this argument you're trying to pose directly contradicts with your Databank point you keep trying to bring up. Grey Jedi isn't even something listed on the Star Wars site, yet we all know they exist.


That's the thing. They don't. There was one Grey Jedi, Kyle. That doesn't mean Grey Jedi as an Order exist, no matter how much you want to claim all those other people were also Greys. If there was a Blue Jedi, does that mean the Order of Blue Jedi exists?

The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
And as I said, by that time he wasn't a Grey Jedi anymore... I made that point when you pointed out that Katarn trained Apprentices. By that time he had given up his Grey viewpoint and had adopted the Jedi way.


But you fail to understand that he was still a Grey Jedi. Play Jedi Academy SP, or just look at the quotes I brought up. He most definitely kept his grey viewpoint about things when teaching his students.


Or just read the Dark Nest Trilogy which has him on the Council...

The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
Which only got decided when Obi-Wan was UNEXPECTEDLY killed by Vader aboard a moon-sized battle station.


You don't get "unexpectedly" killed when purposely lowering your defenses to your enemy.


The duel was unexpected, not the cause of death. When Obi-Wan first left Tatooine with Luke, I'm sure he wasn't expecting to go off and fight Vader to the death.

The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
By Masterplan I mean working together, gathering Jedi, sending them out to sabotage the Empire, etc.


Now you're just going on "shoulda, woulda, coulda." Their plan worked fine enough how it was schemed.


And you're getting into the coulda with Qui-Gon and Jolee being Greys. Wink

The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
Which it isn't, just not complete. And there is a difference. Wink


No, it's complete, just not updated to recent canon events. Which essentially means, that isn't the greatest of sources to go by since it is outdated.


It can't be complete but not updated, that's essentially what complete means. Confused

The Chosen One wrote:
Xander Vos wrote:
Certainly is, as its written by the people who write the books and who decide these things. Wookieepedia is a fan made creation. Wink


"Wookieepedia is a fan made creation" on the people "who write the books and who decide these things."

I seem to remember someone arguing Wookieepedia's is a solid source not too long ago. Meh.


Did I?
Butler_Swan

ghostjedi17 wrote:
necto dosn't have a green lightsaber....

I'm talking about the green sabers that light up whenever there's anew post...I remember I used to drive someone...I forgot who it was, crazy when I first came to the site with all the green sabers everywhere...
Xander Vos

Butler_Swan wrote:
Uhg...I don't like these really long debates...just wondering, would TCO or Xander happen to be in a debate club? Anyways, I thought I'd just throw my opinion out there that I believe that while having a Grey Jedi Order would bring in more members, It may also cause a huge clutter and a lot of green sabers...


I'm not. Confused
Rive Caedo

Quote:
I'm talking about the green sabers that light up whenever there's anew post...I remember I used to drive someone...I forgot who it was, crazy when I first came to the site with all the green sabers everywhere...


The Sith - and likewise the Grey - Order's forums (and the Jedi as well) are only visible to people of that faction.
The Chosen One

Xander Vos wrote:
hat's the thing. They don't. There was one Grey Jedi, Kyle.


There was more than 1 grey jedi other than Kyle. Why you insist on arguing otherwise has got me scratching my head.

Xander Vos wrote:
That doesn't mean Grey Jedi as an Order exist, no matter how much you want to claim all those other people were also Greys. If there was a Blue Jedi, does that mean the Order of Blue Jedi exists?


I have no idea what you're talking about. I never even hinted at saying Grey Jedi as an order exist. It is a classification.

Xander Vos wrote:
Or just read the Dark Nest Trilogy which has him on the Council...


And like I said, being a grey jedi on the council isn't an impossibility, though it was highly unlikely in the Old Republic.

Xander Vos wrote:
The duel was unexpected, not the cause of death. When Obi-Wan first left Tatooine with Luke, I'm sure he wasn't expecting to go off and fight Vader to the death.


Completely irrevalent at this point. Obi-Wan had a plan, he followed through with it. Whether the duel was forseen or not doesn't matter.

Xander Vos wrote:
And you're getting into the coulda with Qui-Gon and Jolee being Greys. Wink


No.....they were Grey Jedi. Ask just about anyone on this board. They fit the bill right on.

Xander Vos wrote:
It can't be complete but not updated, that's essentially what complete means. Confused


It's pretty much complete Xander, just not thorough to the point, with details of his entire life, like wookieepedia. The Databank gives short-medium dumbed down explanations of their characters/items, which it suceeds in doing.

Though, if you're going in the "having all parts or elements; lacking nothing; whole; entire; full:" definition of complete, then yeah, it's pretty incomplete. So I guess that makes Wookieepedia complete, and the more reliable source, right?

Xander Vos wrote:
Did I?


Doesn't really matter enough to delve into it.
sinky911

Qui-Gonn and Jolee have been argued by #1 fans whether they are Grey's or not for quite a while.
Xander Vos

Grey Jedi Order on this board = no no.
ghostjedi17

the votes stand agnist it. i'm not imposing on your little argument but do it on another thread. i don't want this locked yet
Dork of Mordork

1: The votes for Yes oppose it by ONE.

2: Even if the votes were 10-1 or anything like that, the end result is up to the Council.
Butler_Swan

Rive Caedo wrote:
Quote:
I'm talking about the green sabers that light up whenever there's anew post...I remember I used to drive someone...I forgot who it was, crazy when I first came to the site with all the green sabers everywhere...


The Sith - and likewise the Grey - Order's forums (and the Jedi as well) are only visible to people of that faction.

I'm talking about the "other" or those forums, those may get like overloaded...
Rive Caedo

Quote:
I'm talking about the "other" or those forums, those may get like overloaded...


Oh. Meh, if somehow we got a few hundred extra active members - people would just need to start ignoring a few green lightsabers (gasp!)
Butler_Swan

Im' talking about just like say 10-20 "active" members...meaning posting everyday...
Xander Vos

Quote:
the votes stand agnist it. i'm not imposing on your little argument but do it on another thread. i don't want this locked yet


What argument? Confused

And there's 7 votes for milk. If we found what those votes were really for, things might be a little different.
ghostjedi17

maybe. i said that already.
Lord Vexen

Xander Vos wrote:
Quote:
the votes stand agnist it. i'm not imposing on your little argument but do it on another thread. i don't want this locked yet


What argument? Confused

And there's 7 votes for milk. If we found what those votes were really for, things might be a little different.


I like milk...I voted for it cause I don't care
ghostjedi17

just make it. we got like 6 grey with at least 1 more on his way.
The Chosen One

Even now I'm pretty sure a Grey Jedi Order is a no. Grey Jedi ranks is another thing.
Rive Caedo

Quote:
just make it. we got like 6 grey with at least 1 more on his way.


I agree, so I'll start pushing for a mini-order on July 1st - want to wait for the Sith change to complete "cool off" first.
Butler_Swan

I suppose...a mini order would do...
Shatterpoint

A mini order sounds like the best idea to me... as others said earlier in this thread, currently there doesn't seem to be enough Grey Jedi to warrant their own section, though with the additional ranks more people are likely to choose Grey Jedi as their faction.
ghostjedi17

fine. but when the swarm comes The order shall come... *thunder thunder thunder*
sinky911

Sorry, but I haven't been answered.
What is a Grey Jedi? I have seen it in SW WIkia and Wikipedia but what is it exactly?
Xander Vos

Its a Grey Jedi... Its a little self evident. They aren't dark, they aren't light, they're in the middle. Grey. They do what they want when they want.
sinky911

Oh ok. Do they have their own order?
Xander Vos

Nope.
Butler_Swan

Well it's a mini order so there are different Grey ranks....but it's not a full order quite yet...
Rive Caedo

They would likely receive one hidden forum (as opposed to the 4 Sith/Jedi have) which Grey Masters would be able to moderate.
ghostjedi17

Umm. Ryan be master?
Dork of Mordork

I'd say Ramen (if he switched, which he said he would) or Scion.
Xander Vos

Yeah, they're the two most responsible.
ghostjedi17

I made the idea for gods sake.
Xander Vos

So if I made an idea to have a new Grand Master and it was approved, I should be made Grand Master?
Butler_Swan

ghostjedi17 wrote:
I made the idea for gods sake.

True but you're not exactly the best choice for the position because of the things that you post sometimes...and you're not always on, you were gone for awhile...

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