Xander Vos
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Flight of the OrderAfter the crisis described in LoES resolves itself, I think the Jedi Order should flee Bakura and set up on a new planet solely created by us.
TCO has raised valid concerns about having us on Bakura, which I agree with, however I also don't believe we should make it that we were "never here" as it would mess with quite a few stories.
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Anakin
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Flight of The Order? What is that? 
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Adenn
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What he just explained...new forum stuff I guess....
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Rive Caedo
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Should this be in Roleplaying Discussion?
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Grand Vizier Tarna
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Go to Korriban 
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Dork of Mordork
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We've already been discussing this in the Council forum. 
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The Chosen One
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Well, the Order would have to have left Bakura prior to ca., 150 BBY to ensure it doesn't overly conflict with canon.
Like I had said in Tomer's thread, turn it into a contest. :p See who can make a planet to where we are settling our Order. Rive isn't in it though, he would make some planet that is a rip off of either Battlestar Galactica or Firefly.
<_<
:p
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Dork of Mordork
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Dakoth had that idea in the Council forum too. 
And as Dakoth's idea was, it could be a contest like the fanfictions.
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Darth Shadow
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There are such things as hidden enclaves. The Jedi could remain on Bakura and not conflict with anything.
LoES deals mostly with the Jedi Temples on Coruscant and Reldar Prime. I've no problem giving you all a reason to leave Bakura, if that is what you wish (I also had every intention to within the story).
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Rive Caedo
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| Quote: | | Rive isn't in it though, he would make some planet that is a rip off of either Battlestar Galactica or Firefly. |
Oh, ouch. That's absolutely not true!
I'd probably make it a dual rip-off of both. Galactifly planet! Woo!
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Xander Vos
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Well my story is in 6 ABY - 80 ABY with the main story revolving around Bakura with specific elements requiring it to be on Bakura which is why I make the suggestion that we leave after. Shadow is right, hidden enclaves are perfectly logical, which is what I always saw us as. My story establishes that we help out on Bakura, but that we don't disclose that we are Jedi. When Jedi are needed we appear to come from a different planet,
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The Chosen One
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| Xander Vos wrote: | | My story establishes that we help out on Bakura, but that we don't disclose that we are Jedi. When Jedi are needed we appear to come from a different planet, |
Sketchy at best imo.
Hidden enclaves are bound to be found especially after thousands of years. Then there is always the problem with Bakuran activities/history that wouldn't make sense if jedi were there all along. Add on that Bakura isn't/wasn't "solidly" apart of the Republic 'til the YV War. Then there is always the problem of new recruits, Luke Skywalker and his students, etc.
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Xander Vos
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Why does Bakura need to be in the Republic for it to work? The Jedi were always seperate from the Republic, the Guardians of Peace and Justice. It just so happened it was easiest for them to work with the Republic.
Our "universe" is outside standard SW. Think of it as if when Chick and her parents were born they split into an AU, seeing as we have a Kroprulan Empire which has nine fleets and nine SSDs, and Byss still exists.
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Lord Embeion
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| Rive Caedo wrote: | | Quote: | | Rive isn't in it though, he would make some planet that is a rip off of either Battlestar Galactica or Firefly. |
Oh, ouch. That's absolutely not true!
I'd probably make it a dual rip-off of both. Galactifly planet! Woo! |
This is why we love you Rive..like a brother..not sexually....
I like Shadow's idea. The Jedi have used them many times in the past.
I visited botht he Hidden Jedi and Sith encalve on SWG. I must say it's very cool.
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Anakin
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Go to Coruscant.
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The Chosen One
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| Xander Vos wrote: | | Why does Bakura need to be in the Republic for it to work? The Jedi were always seperate from the Republic, the Guardians of Peace and Justice. |
Not completely true. The Jedi always played a part in the Republic. From the KOTOR era, to Lukes Academy on Ossus. It was how they were the "Guardians of the Peace", and how they found new "recruits" most of the time. Usually word was sent to the Jedi Temple/Order/Enclave that their child was thought to be force sensitive, unique, etc. Can't get new recruits if no one knows about you. :p
| Xander Vos wrote: | | Our "universe" is outside standard SW. Think of it as if when Chick and her parents were born they split into an AU, seeing as we have a Kroprulan Empire which has nine fleets and nine SSDs, and Byss still exists. |
Well then this depends. Is Luke still a part of "this" universe?
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Grand Vizier Tarna
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How about you start a second enclave. Rive as leader of one, and Abba the other.
Or, go to Ilum.
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Anakin
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So much planets in this galaxy to have as a capital, and you guys are fighting over one?
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Lord Vexen
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idk.
What if Bakura blows up in SW canon? Then yall are dead lol. Oh and Byss should be terminated after LOES
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Grand Vizier Tarna
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Go to Ilum!
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Lord Lanik
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naw Telos would be the best
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Grand Vizier Tarna
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The home of the ancient lightsaber crystal caves! Where was that again?
ILUM!!
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Lord Lanik
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TELOS THE HOME OF LANIK!!!!
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Grand Vizier Tarna
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| Lanik wrote: | | TELOS THE HOME OF LANIK!!!! |
Lanik shmanik. They should move to an ancient Jedi fortress.
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The Chosen One
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How about Myrkr? Want a hidden temple? What better way to shield yourself off from others than on a forest planet with ysalamiri.
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Grand Vizier Tarna
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| The Chosen One wrote: | | How about Myrkr? Want a hidden temple? What better way to shield yourself off from others than on a forest planet with ysalamiri. |
Sure, let's stick all the Jedi where their powers can't work. Exellent idea...buffoon 
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Dork of Mordork
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Guys, guys, the idea of the whole changing the planet thing was, first off, Bakura got old, we wanted something new. And second, it will be a contest.
What we are hoping to do, is sort of like a fanfic contest, anyone can make a planet, enter it, and everyone will vote. Etc. etc.
Hopefully it will be up and running soon...
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Anakin
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Nice, I'm up for this.
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The Chosen One
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| Tarna Saavo wrote: | | Sure, let's stick all the Jedi where their powers can't work. Exellent idea...buffoon |
Not necessarily. The only place where the force is thrown out of balance is within the ysalamiri's range. I doubt the whole planet is infested with them, and even if they are, there is nothing like hunting with just your survival skills.
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Grand Vizier Tarna
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| The Chosen One wrote: | | Tarna Saavo wrote: | | Sure, let's stick all the Jedi where their powers can't work. Exellent idea...buffoon |
Not necessarily. The only place where the force is thrown out of balance is within the ysalamiri's range. I doubt the whole planet is infested with them, and even if they are, there is nothing like hunting with just your survival skills. |
You make a valid point, but it still seems a bit odd.
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Anakin
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I still say Coruscant. Galactic center.
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Darth Shadow
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I've got a couple of planets up my sleeve, can Sith apply?
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Dakoth
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nah you'd have to convert.
hah.. shadow a Jedi..
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Darth Shadow
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I am on GoTF. I also have more of a moral center than some Jedi from here. 
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Lyn Korak
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Would we be making them/it, or submitting an idea for a planet that is canon?
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Dork of Mordork
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| Darth Shadow wrote: | | I've got a couple of planets up my sleeve, can Sith apply? |
Hopefully, yes.
Yes, you make it up.
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Lyn Korak
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Okay, I've actually created my planets basic details, but do we have to do the history and everything as well?
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Lord Vexen
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I have a planet I made up for TSC that may work
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Lyn Korak
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Cool. Is it detailed, or just rough?
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Lord Vexen
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working on it now actually
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Xander Vos
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Vexen, you're one to talk about our planet being destroyed considering Byss was destroyed during the Palpatine Reborn era.
TCO - Luke and Leia are still around, and everything, but this is an alternate universe where everything happens the same except the YV never appeared and the Jedi on Coruscant were destroyed by the Kroprulan Empire - or at least thats how Scourge hoped it happened.
That means I think, that the New Republic is still around, no Jedi, so the Bakuran Enclave came out into the open, the Sith Empire, because they had destroyed the Coruscanti Jedi were out in the open, and enter Dude.
If we move, however, it should be AFTER LoES, which would make sense, perhaps we're all away fighting, and the Temple is bombed, completely destroying it and all who were left there, and so we move to our own planet.
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Anakin
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But the Bakura Jedi has its own timeline without any of George Lucas's elements. And according to Shadow, only the Kroprulan Empire and the Bakuran Jedi are the only governments in their galaxy.
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Xander Vos
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Then I suggest that when Chick was born to her parents, a freak event put them into an Alternate Universe to the real Star Wars universe. We split from the Star Wars timeline shortly after Episode 6 when the Empire mounts a suicidal attack on the New Republic, destroying both the Empire and New Republic, leaving our Jedi order and the Kroprulan Empire, which emerges, as the two powers.
Its the only way to retcon everything that happens in our universe, while still keeping with SW enough to have had all the films as also happening in our universe.
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Anakin
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But the whole point is the the Jedi and Sith have their own seperate galaxy, not fused together. Thats why they made a entire seperate timeline.
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Xander Vos
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No we didn't... The Sith timeline is combined with ours. Thats why we have some events that just matter to the Sith. We're in the same universe, and everything that happens to one happens to the other.
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Anakin
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I mean, that the Jedi timeline has nothing of George Lucas's events.
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Xander Vos
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I know, because as I just said, we're in an alternate universe. Perhaps we could use the events I described as an explanation as for why the NR and Empire are destroyed, and no other Jedi exist.
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Anakin
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Gonna be tricky, gotta get both Council's approved.
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Xander Vos
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What?? Haven't you been reading? I didn't come up with this AU, Shadow did, if he says Bakuran Jedi and Kroprulan Sith are the only governments in the Galaxy. I just provided the retcon.
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Anakin
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Oh okay, my mistake.
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Dork of Mordork
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Whoa, whoa, wait what?
The Bakura academy is a hidden academy, but we still are in along with the Coruscant Jedi Temple, and all the Clone Wars, Galactic Empire and Rebel stuff. We're not in a whole different galaxy.
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Anakin
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Wait, what? I remember we had that fight about the different time lines.
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Xander Vos
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| Dork of Mordork wrote: | Whoa, whoa, wait what?
The Bakura academy is a hidden academy, but we still are in along with the Coruscant Jedi Temple, and all the Clone Wars, Galactic Empire and Rebel stuff. We're not in a whole different galaxy. |
Of course not, we are just in an Alternate Universe. As you said, the Timeline for the site doesn't fit perfectly with GL's timeline. That has been retconned as us being in an Alternate Universe, where many events still happened, but shortly after ROTJ, say, around the time of Thrawn, the Empire launched a suicidal attack on the NR, wiping out both governments, considering Shadow has the Bakuran Jedi and the Kroprulan Sith as the only governments in the Galaxy, and Byss was never destroyed meaning Palpatine never returned.
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Dork of Mordork
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We did. You said you wanted a timeline that ties in with GL's timeline.
The timeline does, in a way. But the reason we don't have stuff from GL's timeline is because the timeline here is about our order (and TDSL as well) and only states stuff from the sister sites, yet still goes with GL's.
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Anakin
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| Dork of Mordork wrote: | We did. You said you wanted a timeline that ties in with GL's timeline.
The timeline does, in a way. But the reason we don't have stuff from GL's timeline is because the timeline here is about our order (and TDSL as well) and only states stuff from the sister sites, yet still goes with GL's. |
......If you said that earlier, no argument would have ensued.
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Dork of Mordork
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I tried...
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Xander Vos
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Well lets look at the facts:
- The Clone Wars happened in GL's timeline and ours.
- The Jedi Purge occured, causing many Jedi to flee to Bakura's Order.
- The Empire was over-thrown by the Rebel Aliance.
- Thrawn launched an attack on the New Republic and was only flukily defeated.
- Byss was not destroyed in our one, therefore meaning Palpatine never re-appeared.
- By 60 ABY only the Kroprulan Empire and the Bakuran Enclave remain as the super powers in the Galaxy, as well as a new threat from Byss.
This means that in our Galaxy perhaps events tweaked lightly and Thrawn won BUT was then defeated, and both armies were obliterated, the survivors destroyed by the Kroprulan Empire. This accounts for Byss surviving, and us being the only Super Powers in 60 ABY, meaning the YV never arrived, because their scouts were destroyed by Kroprulu's powers, and the Corellian insurgency never took place because the GFFA never existed.
It all fits PLUS it means we can do whatever we want down the line.
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Anakin
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| Dork of Mordork wrote: | | I SAID IT IS SPECIAL SO IT DOESN'T GO WITH KOTOR, CLONE WARS, OR ANY OF THAT OTHER CRAP!!!!! DON'T YOU LISTEN?! |
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Dork of Mordork
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I was meaning exactly what I said before.
That is over and DONE, no need to bring it up again.
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The Chosen One
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I don't think my intention was to bring up the other parts of the galaxy as you guys obviously have that down pact.
What I'm implying by "conflicting with canon" is things that happened on Bakura. Things that were out of the Republics or the Empires control.
Let me also get this straight. It is basically only the hidden Jedi Enclave on Bakura vs. an entire empire?
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Dakoth
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nonsense, they have Dakoth.
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Anakin
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In "our" galaxy, the Kroprulan Empire and Bakura Jedi galaxy, isn't the Chiss in it too? In the unknown regions?
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Dork of Mordork
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Oh my gosh, we are not in a "Special galaxy" I told you before. We are in the SAME galaxy as Tatooine, Coruscant, Hoth, and ALL the other things are.
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Darth Shadow
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Actually, Byss was destroyed in ours. Tadla Falan reconstructed the planet.
The Chiss are allied with the Sith.
Geeze, we need an official scholar for this stuff.
Anyway, our timeline has elements that fit in with the Flanneled One, but some don't. Basically, we're same galaxy as Luke, Han, Leia, Mara, Jaina and Jacen.
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Lord Vexen
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| Darth Shadow wrote: | | Geeze, we need an official scholar for this stuff. |
Isn't that Scourge?
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Anakin
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| Dork of Mordork wrote: | | Oh my gosh, we are not in a "Special galaxy" I told you before. We are in the SAME galaxy as Tatooine, Coruscant, Hoth, and ALL the other things are. |
I was talking about Xander's supposed explanation for all tis.
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Darth Shadow
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Scourge's never read LoES.
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Dork of Mordork
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| Darth Shadow wrote: | | Anyway, our timeline has elements that fit in with the Flanneled One, but some don't. Basically, we're same galaxy as Luke, Han, Leia, Mara, Jaina and Jacen. |
That's what I was trying to get across.
He's NEVER read LoES? O.O
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Lyn Korak
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I haven't...
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The Chosen One
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| Darth Shadow wrote: | | Actually, Byss was destroyed in ours. Tadla Falan reconstructed the planet. |
How do you reconstruct a planet? 
| Shadow wrote: | | Anyway, our timeline has elements that fit in with the Flanneled One, but some don't. Basically, we're same galaxy as Luke, Han, Leia, Mara, Jaina and Jacen. |
What I'm asking is Luke and them still in this galaxy?
Also, what is "LoES"?
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Darth Shadow
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No, Scourge has never even read another fan fiction from the forum.
Well, Lyn, you're going to be in it eventually.
The Chosen One, LoES is short for 'Life of Empress Saber' and it is my epic project to explain the reign of Saber as Empress and deals mainly with a war with Byss.
You reconstruct a planet with massive engines and a brilliant mind like Tadla Falan.
The story also goes into detail of Tenel Ka, Sidious and even Krayt. We're in the same galaxy in LoES at least.
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The Chosen One
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I have to say I haven't read LoES either. Also I think it would be best to make a seperate universe. Atleast different times.
Having to be in the same universe as the Lucas characters will lead to a lot of "WTF"'s. Lmao. Too much work imo.
You guys should set the date for this in an entirely different time period as the Lucas heroes. Like 200+ ABY. It is uncharted territory, and you guys wont have to explain/worry about having to tie things together as much. You also get the freedom of forming the galaxy how you want. It also explains how there is a lot of sith as that would be after Krayt's empire.
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Xander Vos
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| Dork of Mordork wrote: | | Oh my gosh, we are not in a "Special galaxy" I told you before. We are in the SAME galaxy as Tatooine, Coruscant, Hoth, and ALL the other things are. |
Brian, I think you are misunderstanding the term alternate Universe. Areyou familiar with the term "Parallel Universe"? Everything is the same, except events have changed. Thats what we are saying. We aren't saying we're in a special Galaxy, its an AU.
Shadow, that still doesn't rectify that Palpatine used it as a base and didn't sense Dude's presence. I think its a lot easier just to declare ourselves in an AU.
And Brian AU DOES NOT mean we are in some random Galaxy, it means just what it says. Bakura, Hoth, Csilla, Coruscant, all those exist. Events happened the same as they did in GL's Universe, but OTHERS DIDN'T.
There is a theory that every decision every person makes splits into an AU - meaning if they had made the other decision, they would have been in that AU. AU just means we are in the Star Wars Galaxy, but can do whatever we want without fear of having to retcon.
Thats the simplest and easiest way to go, and excuse SSDs tromping around the Galaxy without the GFFA picking up on it.
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Lord Vexen
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| Xander Vos wrote: | | and excuse SSDs tromping around the Galaxy without the GFFA picking up on it. |
That would be me lol.
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Darth Shadow
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The Chosen One, I am currently doing the work and let me say that it really is not that difficult and I am managing dates and resolving canonical issues with The Flanneled One finely.
Xander, I explain that away because Dude wasn't on Byss at the time.
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Lord Vexen
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when was Tenel Ka or Krayt ever even mentioned in LOES?
Also read LOES it should be SW canon. Or at least a real book.
To Xander OWNED
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Darth Shadow
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Early in Part Two; not too long ago.
Meh. It's just the ravings of an overly detail-oriented perfectionist.
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Xander Vos
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| Darth Vexen wrote: | when was Tenel Ka or Krayt ever even mentioned in LOES?
Also read LOES it should be SW canon. Or at least a real book.
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Vexen, how the hell was I owned.
Shadow, Dude didn't leave Byss until the war started, which is why no one ever sensed him, and why it was such a surprise when he initiated the war.
Vexen, if anyone was owned, it was Shadow just then.
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Darth Shadow
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Not in my story.
Dude was on Tund, which is why the facility was there Ieha Weyx worked with Cyrolew 77 in the first place.
Perhaps I did not make that clear.
Dude wanted Byss because it was so close to Palpatine.
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Lord Vexen
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Xander LOES is forum canon.
OWNED
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Darth Shadow
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Not all of it. It's really not an issue since this thread is to discuss a new Jedi base of operations. Personally, I'm voting for Marar Two.
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Xander Vos
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| Darth Vexen wrote: | Xander LOES is forum canon.
OWNED |
So was Mission to Corellia where Dude was INVENTED*. So no Vexen, SHUT UP. My story came up with Dude, the Dude war, and a lot of the information surrounding Eriate. My story paved the way for LoES, and helped Fallen. While it is not as flashy as either, thats because it was written early last year. Shadow, Acrimonus and I were going to do an ultimate edition combining the three, but my turning to the Jedi halted that.
Thats besides the point anyway, we are in an AU, where we can do what we want, and we split from GL's Universe when Thrawn attacked Corscant in 5 ABY. From then on the Empire and NR were eliminated, along with Han, Leia, Luke, Chewiw etc. And we can do what we want.
*The story of Dude anyway, because the actual user Dude had already existed.
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Darth Shadow
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Well, if we're going to continue discussing semantics, we're not alternate as far as I'm concerned. I've mentioned several of the aforementioned characters and quite enjoy using them in reference to organizations, events, etc.
The only up-for-debate topic here is really Dude's presence on Byss which doesn't seem that valuable to this conversation anyway.
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Xander Vos
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What do you mean, aforementioned characters meaning we aren't AU?  ?
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Lord Vexen
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Xander is trying to take credit for Eriate Sulla. BAN HIM. j/k
Anyway I like Fimmi and Tadla Falan. oh and Cal he pwns. Ieha (sp) is okay.
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Xander Vos
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Who said I was taking credit for her???
| Quote: | | My story came up with Dude, the Dude war, and a lot of the information surrounding Eriate. |
But it would be interesing to note my story was the first to note her by her full name, at Jeff's request. Previously she had been a crazy woman in his story who he wanted to be given a mention in mine, which I took a lot further.
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Dakoth
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I'm actually responsible for Miss Sulle
so there.
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Xander Vos
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Not to mention you spelled her name wrong.
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Dakoth
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| Xander Vos wrote: | | Not to mention you spelled her name wrong. |
I used freakin vexen's spelling. I should've known.
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Lord Vexen
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Folish Mortal. I did that on purpose.
It is spelled Eriate Sulla
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Darth Shadow
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Fierfek people, none of this really matters. I wouldn't even have begun working with Sulla if I didn't like the premise of the character as written by her creator.
Next, I'm glad you're enjoying my characters, etc. but none of it is too too relevant to where the Jedi will be located after Bakura.
Dakoth, you can have Sulle, I'll take Sulla.
Xander, I do believe Vexen is comparing the depth in our two stories to the same character.
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Dakoth
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You know what, I will take Sulle! Time to make an amazingtastic character that GL will buy! muahahahahahhaha!
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Xander Vos
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Look, forget it. I seem to have ended up arguing FOR being in an AU only because it was presented as fact earlier in the thread - both Anakin and Shadow seem to think it is, seeing as in Shadow's LoES the GFFA doesn't exist, and Anakin claimed that Brian had said we were which - I have to admit - from his posts in the Timeline thread it looked like.
Can't we just agree to be in an AU? Events from GL's Universe still occured, others didn't.
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Darth Shadow
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Well, the designation would certainly be Alternate Universe. I dissolved the GFFA and made the Jedi take over. Yay for Abba!
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