| Archive for Rebels A Star Wars Roleplaying Community |
| Xander Vos |
Dual AccountsJust out of interest, what is everyone's opinion on having a Sith account on TDSL and a Jedi account on Rebels, with a Global Announcement explaining who is who? |
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| Butler_Swan |
Personally I just don't care...I respect the rules since they are rules but really...I just don't think it matters that much. | ||||||||||
| Xander Vos |
Exactly. If people want a Dual Account, they should be allowed it. It doesn't matter so much that they should be punished for wanting to experience the two factions. | ||||||||||
| Butler_Swan |
Quite my opinion. | ||||||||||
| Rive Caedo |
To offer a dissenting opinion. Do we really want the same people in charge of both boards? The ultimate goal of the ranking system is to becoming a leader of the forum. I see little purpose in allowing Sith members to become ranked members here. | ||||||||||
| Xander Vos |
Without turning this into too much of a debate, that is an extreme hypothetical. Within a few months, or a bit more, there'll be twelve CMs on Rebels, meaning no more, and the Sith Council seems pretty cement, so barring major upsets, in which cases older members would be chosen anyway, there is little to no chance to get even close to running both sites. | ||||||||||
| Rive Caedo |
You're only looking at the short term. This would be an extremely long term change. | ||||||||||
| Xander Vos |
Yes it would, and as I said, the Councils for both forums are all but concrete, allowing very little change in the near, or far future. | ||||||||||
| Rive Caedo |
I just left the council. Others will in time, Saber left the Sith Order entirely. Changes happen all the time. |
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| Xander Vos |
And as I said, older members would be selected over new upcomers.
But as I said, I don't want this to turn into a heated debate. Please, members, state your opinion on the issue, and leave it at that. |
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| Rive Caedo |
Heaven forbid there actually be any discussion on the repercussions of the change. |
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| Xander Vos |
No, just heaven forbid that this thread be locked for flaming. If you wish to discuss it Rive, you can make your own thread. | ||||||||||
| Rive Caedo |
Saying that Council changes happen all the time is not flaming.
It's not even heated. I'm distinctly luke-warm 
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| Xander Vos |
At the moment, which is why I'm stopping it now, not when TCO, or someone steps in and brings up points that get discussion even more heated. | ||||||||||
| Rive Caedo |
Anyone flaming will be dealt with appropriately. | ||||||||||
| Xander Vos |
I'd rather let it, nor discussion get in the way of the purpose of this thread, which was to allow people to show their support or their dissent for Dual Accounts. Discussion, I believe, is already taking place in the apropriate thread. 
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| Rive Caedo |
I don't understand. That would be like me making a thread saying "Do you support the creation of a new Star Wars: The Holiday Special forum? Just vote please, don't discuss why or why not it should be made."
And if you're wondering. All replies to that question should be "What's the Star Wars Holiday Special? I've never heard of such a thing. In fact, I can't have heard of it because it doesn't exist. You're crazy!" 
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| Xander Vos |
Well, you'd be entitled to that. If you were particularly worried about flaming or heated opinion due to recent evidence, you may create a thread and solely request people vote. After all, if people disagree with the parameters of your thread, they can always make another. | ||||||||||
| The Chosen One |
Rive has explained quite a bit why it shouldn't change in the Council forum, I won't quote it, if he wants he can explain it here.
Basically, it's been site policy for quite some time now. You choose a side, and stick with it. Things would be a lot more organized, both in terms of RP and site-wise, if kept the same. This shouldn't turn-off jedi or sith characters off to the idea of having an RP character of the opposite faction. I'm pretty sure that's allowed. I did it in the past. |
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| Xander Vos |
So, your reasoning is that, because its been policy since the beginning, that it should stay that way? That's what you said, don't deny it... | ||||||||||
| Rive Caedo |
That's more than allowed, it's encouraged. I'd actually be rather happy if I saw more people role playing as non-force-sensitive characters occasionally. I usually pull my smuggler out of storage whenever I role play for just that reason. |
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| The Chosen One |
Ho boy..... Lern2reed. |
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| Rive Caedo |
Again, let's be careful not to cross the magical flaming line here. Especially not senior members of the forum. According to my own reading skill. TCO was actually saying that forum policy is this way for a reason; the reason being, as he says, "Things would be a lot more organized, both in terms of RP and site-wise, if kept the same." |
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| Xander Vos |
I would request that everyone who votes explains their vote in a single, concise post, and that Sith don't vote, as their forum has already made up its mind. If a Sith has voted, please make yourself known, and your chosen option known, so that I can cancel it out. | ||||||||||
| Adenn |
I don't think we should have dual accounts.
Like TCO said, things would be alot more organized if kept the same. |
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| Tom |
But their 2 different sites... i think if we were able to have dual accounts, as long as we had a list of who was who etc it would allowe for a wider range of activity in my honnest opinion.
And why are we limited to one acount? |
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| Butler_Swan |
That's what I was saying...glad someone agrees with me. | ||||||||||
| Kisuk Kolar |
If people have the sense to separate IC knowledge and OOC knowledge then it would be perfectly fine to have duel acounts. If they don't do ilogical things IC like for example knowing secrets of the other faction when their character doesn't know about, it is fine to have duel acount. As Alex said it takes a long long long time for anyone to become leader of the site especially if the leader is active and participates or doesn't decide to leave so that won't be a problem. Even if they are leader to both sites as long as long they separate their knowledge of OOC and IC it should be fine. | ||||||||||
| Butler_Swan |
Xander operated fine having two accoutns, keeping the IC and OOC seperated...or at least from what I saw | ||||||||||
| Xander Vos |
So it would be more organised to have two Jedi accounts, or two Sith accounts, than to have a Jedi and a Sith account? |
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| Darth Lithium |
I voted to see how we stand. | ||||||||||
| Xander Vos |
Hmm, despite me asking people to provide their reasoning, there has been several votes, and no further posts... | ||||||||||
| The Chosen One |
Why were my posts deleted? They stuck to the topic, and didn't derail. | ||||||||||
| Scion |
No, they meant profiles, characters, not actual accounts for every individual character. |
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| Xander Vos |
I'm assuming they were flamebaiting, or held references to some of my posts, which were also - annoyingly - deleted. |
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| Darth Shadow |
You have heard concern expressed by Rive about leadership of the forums.
Does any Jedi have a working knowledge of DSL politics? I shall assume not, so I apologize for those who do: To be able to call yourself a leader of DSL, you must undergo a long process of training, Order selection, School internship, subcouncil procedure, etc. Before reaching a Junior Sith Lord status, a user shall have spent a very, very long time on the forum under supervision and likely not get much further than there unless they become second-in-command of their Order which based on principle, the Dark Lords will not let happen. The power is in the High Council. Sometimes I listen to them but they mostly listen to me and then carry out changes to the forum. Anyone saying dual accounts would somehow corrupt that efficent system is mistaken. |
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| Adenn |
EDIT:You know what, nevermind! | ||||||||||
| Lord Vexen |
yeah...even me, I'm second in command in my order...but I have no power...well except the subcouncil.
I voted yes btw |
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| The Chosen One |
If that's the case then it would be pretty futile to have dual accounts. You might as well take time to, oh I dunno, focus on one forum to get to the top? |
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| Dakoth |
If you have one account on each forum for each factions you have 4 accounts, thats overkill. Don't forget that now the same amount of posting split over both forms will now only get you half as far. Thats wasted time.
Dual accounts = wasted time and needless confusion. |
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| Darth Shadow |
Dual accounts are managable and simple. They've been done before and are being done now. Or am I to understand that Dakoth, champion of the People's Rights for a Forum War, thereby proving beyond a kriffing shadow of a doubt that they had talents, is choosing to limit personal freedom and expression? I'm basically amazed at the whole speaking from both sides of the mouth on this. | ||||||||||
| Dakoth |
You can express yourself all you want, make seven thousand characters for all I care. You can still roleplay as all the factions you want, just do it with one name so everyone knows whats going on. There is no limit on expression here, if anything this measure would allow more people to get to spots where they can become a descision maker. If someone is a mod on both forums, then that eliminates the moderator position of another hard working forumgoer, thats not right.
Quite interesting you'd talk about speaking from both sides of the mouth, considering your position on dual accounts just a while back. I happen to remember someone going stir-crazy on Xander. |
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| Darth Shadow |
I have explained the Xander situation. I shall explain in publicy should you so choose, Highness.
I hand-pick my staff. I don't let people simply rise in the ranks and then hand them Moderator powers. DSL is very well-managed. We don't need more Moderators, so it's not a concern for Rebels. A person may not want to be seen as that character, which would be in the mind of every person they roleplay. Don't over simplify the situation. You're so bogged down with denial that you don't see how easy this system is. |
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| Dakoth |
Perhaps I'm not over simplifiying the situation. In fact it would seem like you're the one complicating it by throwing this whole mess out here.
I dont know how anyone is going to call to mind images of Darth Shadow if you decide to make a jedi character and start adoptiong puppies left and right. |
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| Darth Shadow |
And that's your problem. The people behind Sith characters aren't evil, fired up to destroy Rebels and poison the well.
Have a wee bit more faith in the people you fought so passionately for not so long ago. And besides, I would never have a Jedi character. I don't do peace and harmony. |
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| Dakoth |
I was referring to IC Roleplaying. Thats the only time someone could feasably relate your characters to one of a different roleplay. Buf if the Roleplayers have any sort of imaginative function, that wont happen. And I assure you all our roleplayers are more than capable of that.
I can tell, you're going about sowing discord quite properly -_- |
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| Darth Shadow |
I'm affording Rebels' users the first chance to take advantage of DSL's acceptance. So far, none of have caused a disturbance and have been model contributors.
In-character? In-character? As in "the state of mind one enters when using a character?" Wouldn't that be Sith on DSL and Jedi on Rebels? Why would Sith A. as Jedi B. intentionally do something they know would bring about ramifications on BOTH accounts by the governments of BOTH forums? You can amount that to nothing like you've been doing or you can take it as the first olive branch. |
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| Dakoth |
I don't know about you, but when I roleplay I don't stare at the person's name, I read thier post. Thier rank avatar has nothing to do with it. I think we're all literate enough to see past an icon and Roleplay based on whats actually going on. Therefore why waste time with dual accounts? | ||||||||||
| Darth Shadow |
If rank and avatar don't matter, then why can't Susy be a Jedi here as an Apprentice with a Mace Windu avatar and a Sith Master on DSL with Lumiya?
If no one really cares, Dakoth, why do you? |
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| Dakoth |
Because Jedi Susy over here becomes Darth Deathbane over there and no one can tell whos-who.
Its needless confusion. Just pick a side and go with it, the ranks are designed for only one side. |
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| Darth Shadow |
God, yes they can. Wasn't I able to pinpoint Xander and Minious as Alex?
Aren't people capable of saying "Hi, I'm Darth Deathbane on DSL, but I'd really like to be Susy here?" But since this issue is now moot, I'm not really seeing the point in this discussion. You may lock this thread as my Dark Lords debate continued interactions. |
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| Dakoth |
Why bother, you disregard what they say anyway -_-
Its going to say open because we have made each forum's policy abundantly clear, but we should allow everyone else to discuss thier feelings in the "ashes" of whats been said. |
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| Darth Shadow |
My Council is handed their opinion in way of canonical acceptance, which is the context in which you misquoted me. At the time, it was a positive point for you who worked so hard for a forum war.
Don't make me to be the tyrant I'm not. |
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| Dakoth |
Prove me otherwise.
From my standpoint thats what you're appearing to be. |
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| Darth Shadow |
Tomorrow you shall be granted viewing privileges to DSL's High Council Chamber. Since my word that I am not in fact the Antichrist isn't going to cut it, perhaps a first hand accounting will suffice. | ||||||||||
| Dakoth |
I already have access, my dual account is Darth Embieon.
(Oh god wouldn't that be something) |
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| The Chosen One |
Dual accounts is prohibited for more reasons than currently being told. I said this before, however, my post was randomly deleted. I'll reiterate.
There is a reason there is a ranking system(for this board anyway). It's to show who is active, interested, and faithful enough to become a building block of the future of the site.
That sense of fidelity shows that you can become a supporter of this site as a whole. Another 2 reasons why there shouldn't be dual accounts, in my opinion, is originality. If there was was 1 person, or more if dual accounting was allowed, who was high ranking on both sides, then the sites would lose personality. Right now, you can choose a side and get a different feel than what you would get on the opposite. Last time I went to TDSL it had an entirely different aura to it than rebels. This is because, the 2 are run by different personal. The second reason, is a show of unbias. If someone was to get high on both sides who favors TDSL more, changes would occur that are beneficial to them. He would do what he sees fit for TDSL more so than rebels. Example? Imagine if Shadow was leader of both forums. He would have changed policy of both sites in a matter of moments, probably without even discussion. Like I also said in the beginning(which makes 3 reasons), is organization. You won't get confused as to who I am here, compared to TDSL because I would have to choose a sith name. I.e. The Chosen One on rebels, and Darth Electus on DSL. That reason of organization can also be linked to canon-roleplays. There would be no kind of loyalty, especially if again I'm biased toward TDSL. I can further DSL's Empire, or vice versa for rebels, by roleplaying as a sith/jedi. This is why, again in my opinion, dual accounts is a bad, bad idea. Wanting to RP as a sith, and being a sith are two different things. You can do one, but not the other if you're a jedi on rebels. |
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| Darth Shadow |
Xander Vos and Darth Minious are two seperate characters both of whom are now attributed to Alex. There is nothing confusing about that and the timeline didn't explode.
Dual accounts shall not allow for rise to leadership levels. In case you missed my lesson on DSL politics, the only ones with power are Dark Lords and their Order seconds-in-command. They are not loyal to the site if they are a high ranking character. I am Will, I am loyal to DSL; but I am Shadow, loyal to the Empire. Give people credit for managing their characters. My out-of-character preference doesn't stop me from also being on Rebels. Your arguments are now proven wrong. |
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| Lord Vexen |
I thought Sith where known to be stubborn. I guess not as much as certain Jedi CMs. | ||||||||||
| The Chosen One |
You keep using that as an example, however, at a much grander scale it will get much more confusing and might have negative impacts to your beloved canon activities. Imagine if everyone who was jedi on this board went sith and had sith names, while the same with sith going jedi. Things would be very, very confusing.
Then it negates the entire point of ranks, which is essentially why you would do dual accounting. Like I said, the reason ranks are there, is so you can climb ranks to a leadership level. Can't climb ranks to a leadership level, no point in having a dual account. Might as well, oh I don't know, stay jedi/sith and only RP as the opposite faction when you want to.
Okay, you just proved my point. If in the case of dual accounting getting to leadership type ranks, it would prove messy as people would have bias for one site. Not their in-site-character, but the real person. You, Will, would be loyal to DSL. So if in the rare case you want to become jedi, and you climb ranks, you would make judgements you feel would help further TDSL more than rebels.
Congratulations, the policy isn't stopping sith from visiting rebels, and the opposite for jedi. Moot point.
No, if anything, you further strengthened my points. I appreciate that, by the way. |
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| Darth Shadow |
We have six currently on DSL. Millions of Chinese haven't died because of dual accounts.
Oy. Get off your high horse. The ranks are designed to allow for entry into Orders, Schools, etc. Not necessairly leadership. DSL has a lot of ranks, the top two or three likely inaccessible to ANYONE much less a person holding a dual account. Use your common sense or visit DSL for an actual perspective since you have no first hand experience. |
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| The Chosen One |
Hopefully not from rebels, as that would be breaking forum policy. 
And 6 isn't close to a hundred members who frequent this site.
I wasn't speaking purely about DSL as I'm obviously ignorant of how things are run there. I was talking about it from a rebel stand point as well. If we allow dual accounting, people wouldn't be restricted from Council Member ranks. And the only rank probably restricted to anyone, like your policy, much less people with dual accounts, is Grand Master. Doesn't mean lower ranks don't have some sort of power/form of leadership attached to it. Again, the problem with dual accounts doesn't soley lay in leadership. |
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| Darth Shadow |
Yes, from Rebels. I've said this three or four times before in two different places. And why do you think I requested Rebels reconsider its policy? Do the pieces begin falling into place?
Hundreds? Excuse my throat-clearing. Don't speak on something you don't understand since you very obviously don't. |
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| The Chosen One |
http://rebels.myfreeforum.org/memberlist.php Though, all of them are not active, you have to take into consideration there will undoubtedly be more members to come.
Uh....I said I'm speaking on it from a rebel stand point as well, which I know enough of to give an opinion. |
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| Xander Vos |
About the whole people getting confused, I do remember pointing out that Global Announcements on both boards saying:
"Xander Vos - Darth Minious Lanik - Darth Lanik Dakoth - Darth Deathbane SkywalkerandVader - Darth Killalot" and so on. That would immediately knock out any confusion, no matter how many dual accounts there were. |
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| Darth Shadow |
That's practical and logical... Based simply on that, it would never be agreed upon. | ||||||||||
| Lord Vexen |
looks like Yes beats No | ||||||||||
| Dakoth |
fixed |
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| Rive Caedo |
Looking back at my old old old guide http://rebels.myfreeforum.org/ftopic94.php
My Sith name is "Darth Killsallya'alls"
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| Lady Saber |
Or not. |
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| Rive Caedo |
Always in motion is the future... er... active polls. |
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